I believe the book of Revelation is relevant for our day. It fits in well with the rest of the Scriptures regarding the coming “tribulation” or “great suffering” (NET). Quite a few passages in the OT directly or indirectly refer to the “great tribulation” and connected events (Is. 2:10, 19, 21; 13:10, 11; Amos 8:9, 11, 12; Hag. 2:6; cf. Hebr. 12:26-29). In addition, nearly two thirds of the book of Joel describes tribulation parallels (Joel, chapter 1 & 2). Approximately 13% of Jesus’ Olivet discourse comprises information about the “great tribulation” (Matt. 24:15-28). Nearly a third of the book of Revelation (chapters 6-9, 11, 15, 16) deals exclusively with tribulation related developments. Prophetic chronology of both Daniel and Revelation points to important facets of the tribulation period (Dan. 8:11-14, 25; 12:1, 7, 11, 12; Rev. 11:2, 3). But to understand it you must connect the dots. The Tribulation can be viewed as a judgment period. According to available evidence, only a third of the world’s population will survive.
Posts by Vidqun
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21How did Revelation make it in the bible?? It's a drug fuelled trip!
by Witness 007 incatholic church killed off alot of christian books from the "offical" bible collection.
so why let thru the weird book of revelation?
have you read the watchtowers explanation it's a joke rutherford's conventions play a huge part..
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What changes are on the way?
by insearchoftruth ini was listening to the co talk to my wife’s congregation on sunday and pretty much the complete talk was justifying doctrinal and organizational changes and pretty much preparing the ‘rank and file’ for upcoming changes.
anyone on hear have any insight of what ‘new light’ is coming in the future?.
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Vidqun
Sorry for derailing the thread. Had to clarify a few points.
And if you look up the cited scriptures, you will notice there were in total three sieges and five deportations (cf. Jer. 52:27-30). One in 605 (Dan. 1:1, 2), one in Nebuchadrezzar's 7th year (Jer. 52:28), one in his 8th year (2 Kings 24:10-16; 2 Chron. 36:9, 10), one in his 18th year (Jer. 52:29) and one in his 23rd year (Jer. 52:30).
No there were only three deportations of Jews from Jerusalem during Neb's reign and only ONE Exile of 70 years.
Scholar, you are refuting the Bible in the name of the Watchtower. I am sorry for you and all Jehovah's Witnesses.
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What changes are on the way?
by insearchoftruth ini was listening to the co talk to my wife’s congregation on sunday and pretty much the complete talk was justifying doctrinal and organizational changes and pretty much preparing the ‘rank and file’ for upcoming changes.
anyone on hear have any insight of what ‘new light’ is coming in the future?.
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Scholar, you quote the scriptures I give. Perhaps you should quote some of the Society's scriptures to back up their argument. My dates correspond with the Babylonian Chronicles, a secular source, which in turn corresponds with the Scriptures. Your dates is according to Watchtower. It's a case of Watchtower (and Scholar) being in step while everybody else is out of step. By the way, Jer. 29:10 is important. The 70 years applies to Babylon, not to "my people."
And if you look up the cited scriptures, you will notice there were in total three sieges and five deportations (cf. Jer. 52:27-30). One in 605 (Dan. 1:1, 2), one in Nebuchadrezzar's 7th year (Jer. 52:28), one in his 8th year (2 Kings 24:10-16; 2 Chron. 36:9, 10), one in his 18th year (Jer. 52:29) and one in his 23rd year (Jer. 52:30).
I would say that the Babylonian scribes would have known when Nabopolasar died and Nebuchadrezzar took over the kingship.
Translated chronicles of the Neo-Babylonian Empire appear in the following: C. J. Gadd, The Fall of Nineveh (London: British Museum, 1923); D. J. Wiseman, Chronicles of the Chaldean Kings (625–556 b.c.) in the British Museum (London: British Museum, 1956); A. L. Oppenheim, “The Neo-Babylonian Empire and its Successors,” in ANET; A. K. Grayson, Assyrian and Babylonian Chronicles, Vol. V: Texts From Cuneiform Sources (Locust Valley, New York: J. J. Augustin, 1975).
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What changes are on the way?
by insearchoftruth ini was listening to the co talk to my wife’s congregation on sunday and pretty much the complete talk was justifying doctrinal and organizational changes and pretty much preparing the ‘rank and file’ for upcoming changes.
anyone on hear have any insight of what ‘new light’ is coming in the future?.
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Watchtower says a lot of things but cannot always back it up by Scripture. Feel free to share the specific scriptures they use to back their argument. Here's one they use, but there's a problem with it as you can see.
For this is what Jehovah has said, In accord with the fulfilling of seventy years at Babylon [for Babylon, CSB, ESV, CSBO, NABO] I shall turn my attention to YOU people, and I will establish toward YOU my good word in bringing YOU back to this place. (Jer. 29:10 NW)
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What changes are on the way?
by insearchoftruth ini was listening to the co talk to my wife’s congregation on sunday and pretty much the complete talk was justifying doctrinal and organizational changes and pretty much preparing the ‘rank and file’ for upcoming changes.
anyone on hear have any insight of what ‘new light’ is coming in the future?.
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20 Furthermore, he carried off those remaining from the sword captive to Babylon, and they came to be servants to him and his sons until the royalty of Persia began to reign;
21 to fulfill Jehovah's word by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had paid off its sabbaths. All the days of lying desolated it kept sabbath, to fulfill seventy years. (2 Chr. 36:20, 21)Jeremiah prophesied that “these nations [including the Judahites] will have to serve the king of Babylon for seventy years” (Jer. 25:11). The seventy years could be viewed as a full generation (cf. Jer. 27:7). Included in the seventy years is the desolation of the land, paying off its sabbaths (2 Chron. 36:21). The desolation did not last seventy years but fulfilled seventy years [until their seventy year servitude had been completed]. In Zechariah’s case, the cities had been denounced for seventy years, i.e., they had lost God’s protection (cf. Zech. 1:12).
According to Dan. 9:2 Jerusalem's devastation amounted to seventy years. Daniel would have known Jerusalem was not devastated for seventy years. The MT is corrupted in this instance. This was first century Jewish though on the matter. The concept, seventy years of desolation for Jerusalem, reflects later Rabbinic interpretation (see Dan. 9:2 Theo and Josephus). Devastations vs. reproach. In the OG we have ὀνειδισμός, meaning “reproach” (singular). See NETS. This is viewed as an error in the transmission: Jer. 25:9 καὶ εἰς ὀνειδισμόν and (I turn them) into a disgrace ולחרפות is read for MT and (I will turn them) into desolations. However, as seen, Dan. 9:2 is not drawn from Jer. 29:10, but Jer. 25:9-12. Here it could mean “reproach, disgrace, insult” (cf. Jer. 18:16; 19:8; Ezek. 5:13, 14). Specifically Jer. 25:9, and something to whistle at and places devastated to time indefinite.” LXX καὶ εἰς ὀνειδισμόν. See BHS footnote. KBLex, in accordance with the textcritical note suggests an emendation to (“as a disgrace”). See J. Lust, E. Eynikel & K. Hauspie (2003). A Greek-English Lexicon of the Septuagint: Revised Edition. Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft: Stuttgart. According to secular chronology, Jerusalem did not lie desolate for seventy years, but her reproach and humiliation could have started with Jehoiakim’s three year Babylonian servitude, completing Jeremiah’s seventy year cycle (2 Kings 24:1, 2; cf. Is. 25:9, 11). See also Dan. 9:16.
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What changes are on the way?
by insearchoftruth ini was listening to the co talk to my wife’s congregation on sunday and pretty much the complete talk was justifying doctrinal and organizational changes and pretty much preparing the ‘rank and file’ for upcoming changes.
anyone on hear have any insight of what ‘new light’ is coming in the future?.
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Pharaoh Necho’s campaign in northern Syria coincides with the brief reign of Jehoahaz, who was deposed on Necho’s return shortly after 1 Tishri (late Sept) 609, at which time Jehoiakim’s accession begins. First year of Jehoiakim, Tishri 608 (Sept–Oct) to Elul 607 (Aug–Sept). Third year of Jehoiakim, Tishri 606 (Sept–Oct) to last of Elul, 605 (Oct 6). This is the twenty-first year of Nabopolasar and the accession year of Nebuchadrezzar. Battle of Carchemish, late May to early June 605; Nabopolasar’s death Aug 15/16, 605. Nebuchadrezzar’s coronation Sept 7, 605. The accession year of Nebuchadrezzar = the third year of Jehoiakim. First (regnal) year of Nebuchadrezzar = the fourth year of Jehoiakim.
Jehoiakim reigned 11 years in Jerusalem (2 Kings 23:36). Dan. 1:1, 2 encompasses a period of 8 years. At the beginning of the eight years, in 605 BCE, Daniel and his companions would be deported (Dan. 1:1, 3). At the end of the eight years, in 597, Jehoiakim would be deposed, and some of the temple utensils taken (2 Chron. 36:5-7; Jer. 52:28; Dan. 1:2). Next followed Jehoiachin’s appointment, lasting only three months. Nebuchadrezzar, in his 8th year, would take 8000 into exile, including Jehoiachin. All remaining temple utensils would be taken (2 Kings 24:10-16; 2 Chron. 36:9, 10). This proves that the deportations do not have to be associated with the siege and capture of Jerusalem. Even after the fall of Jerusalem, during Nebuchadrezzar’s 18th year, the land was not left completely desolate. Jeremiah reports a final deportation in Nebuchadrezzar’s 23rd year (Jer. 52:27-30). See A. R. Green (1982). “The Chronology of the Last Days of Judah: Two Apparent Discrepancies.” Journal of Biblical Literature, 101, pp. 57–73.
Land was never desolate for seventy years. The slavery of the nations under the Babylonians would last seventy years (Jer. 25:11).
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The WT brings up the theme of fleeing
by Kosonen inhttps://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-january-2022/those-seeking-jehovah-will-lack-nothing-good/.
this article explains what a modern time application to fleeing might involve in the prophecy jesus told about the last days.. that is a timely reminder.
i think it will become soon possible to flee to australia from the mark of the beast.
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Riblah, it's frightening, I agree. However take note, fearmonger: someone who spreads fear and needlessly raises the alarm. If you have children in Australia, be warned. The Australian leaders have become insane. In other words, if you have a child, would you allow him/her to be bussed to an enclosed stadium and be vaccinated without your permission or presence?
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The WT brings up the theme of fleeing
by Kosonen inhttps://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-january-2022/those-seeking-jehovah-will-lack-nothing-good/.
this article explains what a modern time application to fleeing might involve in the prophecy jesus told about the last days.. that is a timely reminder.
i think it will become soon possible to flee to australia from the mark of the beast.
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Hope you don't have children.
https://www.brighteon.com/4a4d904f-b524-47d5-99d9-3e25d540b27d
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US Government Insurrection Attempt
by Simon inso now we know the russian dossier was a fraud, the whole "russian collusion" was a hoax, and we know it was funded by the clintons and promoted by the dem's media allies.. given that this was the basis for an actual attempt to remove the elected president of the united states, this was an attempted insurrection.. clinton is guilty and should face charges.. given that they did this, does anyone still believe that they wouldn't commit some lesser, election fraud, crimes?.
if so, you still haven't learned anything.
"fool me once" and all that ....
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Vidqun
After their fall in Virginia, the Democrats tried their best to besmirch the incoming Republican leadership. But when calling a black woman (with Jamaican roots) a white supremacisist, that's too much. Are these people for real? Certainly a few screws loose. They should be locked up and the key thrown away.
MSNBC continued to slander Virginia’s first black Lt. Governor Thursday, declaring her to be a “ventriloquist” for white supremacists. Michael Eric Dyson described Sears as “a black mouth moving but a white idea running on the runway of the tongue of a figure who justifies and legitimates the white supremacist practices.”
Perhaps Dyson is an aspiring comedian? If not, then there's certainly something wrong with him.
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Is the jab required to attend meetings ?
by zachias inmy wife has begun to attend meetings at the kh.. do the wt ask if attendees have had the jab?
anyone know?.
thanks.
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Vidqun
You're right Alanv, perhaps it's not good idea to attend a meeting. Europe seems to have become the epicentre of the epidemic yet again.
Following a summary of its findings, the Lancet wrote the "interpretation" of their study: "Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. [Cursive script added.]
The article for the brave: https://www.scribd.com/document/535734554/s-1473309921006484#from_embed