Posts by Vidqun

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Is Bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding the prelude to the great tribulation?

by Disillusioned JW in

is bible prophecy now starting to come true regarding a prelude to the great tribulation?.

full disclosure: i still don't believe in the bible's claims about the existence of the supernatural, even of jehovah god (i'm an atheist and a scientific/philosophical naturalist), but i am asking this question because recent events are starting to seem (to me) to fit well the description of some prophecies in the bible.

consider the following.. several hours ago (on 11-26-2021) as i was about to enter a local fred meyer store of my city (in suburb or small city in the metro area of a large city) a person i know told me that a moment earlier a person left the store in a hurry with a cart load up with unpaid merchandise (i think i was told it was groceries but i don't remember that for sure).

Vidqun

Disillusioned, here's my take on Luke 21 (pp. 135,136):

"This state of affairs prepares the way for the breaking of the sixth seal. Jesus continues: “Also, there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth anguish of nations, not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea and [its] agitation, while men become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken” (Luke 21:25, 26; cf. Rev. 6:12-17).

"On the one hand, Jesus might here be referring to the inevitable earth changes, caused by a looming pole shift: “The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place” (Rev. 6:14 ESV). No doubt this will result in the abnormal heaving and flooding of the literal sea [“anxious over the roaring of the sea and the surging waves” NET; or “strange tides” NLT].

"On the other hand, he might be pointing to the agitated sea of humanity: “But the wicked are like the sea that is being tossed, when it is unable to calm down, the waters of which keep tossing up seaweed and mire. There is no peace, my God has said, for the wicked ones” (Is. 57:20, 21; cf. Dan. 7:2, 3; Rev. 13:1; 17:15). Undoubtedly, the COVID-19 pandemic would be causing great agitation of the masses, dissatisfied with their governments’ handling of the resulting medical and economic crisis."

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Biden - Inappropriate Toucher and Killer of Children

by Simon in

ny times report on the drone strike in afghanistan - they killed an aid worker and his family including 7 children.. it was done as a political stunt so biden could claim they struck back at a terrorist (although it was a suicide bomb attack).. the attack was due to his incompetence and the drone strike done to distract from it.. his inappropriate touching of young girls now seems tame compared to his murder of young children.. he should be prosecuted.

he should be jailed.

he won't be, because us politics.. if you voted for him you're a shit that supports an inappropriate toucher and killer of children..

Vidqun

That was the problem with Ashley Biden's stolen diary where she mentioned she was sexualized at a young age and had "inappropriate showers" with her dad. That's why the FBI was sent in to bury the evidence. Eventually all they did was to prove that the diary was authentic. What idiots! Does Hunter Biden's laptop ring a bell? Biden is truly America's Groper-in-Chief. Half of Americans voted for him. What does it tell you about half of America?

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How did Revelation make it in the bible?? It's a drug fuelled trip!

by Witness 007 in

catholic church killed off alot of christian books from the "offical" bible collection.

so why let thru the weird book of revelation?

have you read the watchtowers explanation it's a joke rutherford's conventions play a huge part..

Vidqun

I believe the book of Revelation is relevant for our day. It fits in well with the rest of the Scriptures regarding the coming “tribulation” or “great suffering” (NET). Quite a few passages in the OT directly or indirectly refer to the “great tribulation” and connected events (Is. 2:10, 19, 21; 13:10, 11; Amos 8:9, 11, 12; Hag. 2:6; cf. Hebr. 12:26-29). In addition, nearly two thirds of the book of Joel describes tribulation parallels (Joel, chapter 1 & 2). Approximately 13% of Jesus’ Olivet discourse comprises information about the “great tribulation” (Matt. 24:15-28). Nearly a third of the book of Revelation (chapters 6-9, 11, 15, 16) deals exclusively with tribulation related developments. Prophetic chronology of both Daniel and Revelation points to important facets of the tribulation period (Dan. 8:11-14, 25; 12:1, 7, 11, 12; Rev. 11:2, 3). But to understand it you must connect the dots. The Tribulation can be viewed as a judgment period. According to available evidence, only a third of the world’s population will survive.

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What changes are on the way?

by insearchoftruth in

i was listening to the co talk to my wife’s congregation on sunday and pretty much the complete talk was justifying doctrinal and organizational changes and pretty much preparing the ‘rank and file’ for upcoming changes.

anyone on hear have any insight of what ‘new light’ is coming in the future?.

Vidqun

Sorry for derailing the thread. Had to clarify a few points.

And if you look up the cited scriptures, you will notice there were in total three sieges and five deportations (cf. Jer. 52:27-30). One in 605 (Dan. 1:1, 2), one in Nebuchadrezzar's 7th year (Jer. 52:28), one in his 8th year (2 Kings 24:10-16; 2 Chron. 36:9, 10), one in his 18th year (Jer. 52:29) and one in his 23rd year (Jer. 52:30).

No there were only three deportations of Jews from Jerusalem during Neb's reign and only ONE Exile of 70 years.

Scholar, you are refuting the Bible in the name of the Watchtower. I am sorry for you and all Jehovah's Witnesses.

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What changes are on the way?

by insearchoftruth in

i was listening to the co talk to my wife’s congregation on sunday and pretty much the complete talk was justifying doctrinal and organizational changes and pretty much preparing the ‘rank and file’ for upcoming changes.

anyone on hear have any insight of what ‘new light’ is coming in the future?.

Vidqun

Scholar, you quote the scriptures I give. Perhaps you should quote some of the Society's scriptures to back up their argument. My dates correspond with the Babylonian Chronicles, a secular source, which in turn corresponds with the Scriptures. Your dates is according to Watchtower. It's a case of Watchtower (and Scholar) being in step while everybody else is out of step. By the way, Jer. 29:10 is important. The 70 years applies to Babylon, not to "my people."

And if you look up the cited scriptures, you will notice there were in total three sieges and five deportations (cf. Jer. 52:27-30). One in 605 (Dan. 1:1, 2), one in Nebuchadrezzar's 7th year (Jer. 52:28), one in his 8th year (2 Kings 24:10-16; 2 Chron. 36:9, 10), one in his 18th year (Jer. 52:29) and one in his 23rd year (Jer. 52:30).

I would say that the Babylonian scribes would have known when Nabopolasar died and Nebuchadrezzar took over the kingship.

Translated chronicles of the Neo-Babylonian Empire appear in the following: C. J. Gadd, The Fall of Nineveh (London: British Museum, 1923); D. J. Wiseman, Chronicles of the Chaldean Kings (625–556 b.c.) in the British Museum (London: British Museum, 1956); A. L. Oppenheim, “The Neo-Babylonian Empire and its Successors,” in ANET; A. K. Grayson, Assyrian and Babylonian Chronicles, Vol. V: Texts From Cuneiform Sources (Locust Valley, New York: J. J. Augustin, 1975).

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What changes are on the way?

by insearchoftruth in

i was listening to the co talk to my wife’s congregation on sunday and pretty much the complete talk was justifying doctrinal and organizational changes and pretty much preparing the ‘rank and file’ for upcoming changes.

anyone on hear have any insight of what ‘new light’ is coming in the future?.

Vidqun

Watchtower says a lot of things but cannot always back it up by Scripture. Feel free to share the specific scriptures they use to back their argument. Here's one they use, but there's a problem with it as you can see.

For this is what Jehovah has said, In accord with the fulfilling of seventy years at Babylon [for Babylon, CSB, ESV, CSBO, NABO] I shall turn my attention to YOU people, and I will establish toward YOU my good word in bringing YOU back to this place. (Jer. 29:10 NW)

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What changes are on the way?

by insearchoftruth in

i was listening to the co talk to my wife’s congregation on sunday and pretty much the complete talk was justifying doctrinal and organizational changes and pretty much preparing the ‘rank and file’ for upcoming changes.

anyone on hear have any insight of what ‘new light’ is coming in the future?.

Vidqun

20 Furthermore, he carried off those remaining from the sword captive to Babylon, and they came to be servants to him and his sons until the royalty of Persia began to reign;
21 to fulfill Jehovah's word by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had paid off its sabbaths. All the days of lying desolated it kept sabbath, to fulfill seventy years. (2 Chr. 36:20, 21)

Jeremiah prophesied that “these nations [including the Judahites] will have to serve the king of Babylon for seventy years” (Jer. 25:11). The seventy years could be viewed as a full generation (cf. Jer. 27:7). Included in the seventy years is the desolation of the land, paying off its sabbaths (2 Chron. 36:21). The desolation did not last seventy years but fulfilled seventy years [until their seventy year servitude had been completed]. In Zechariah’s case, the cities had been denounced for seventy years, i.e., they had lost God’s protection (cf. Zech. 1:12).

According to Dan. 9:2 Jerusalem's devastation amounted to seventy years. Daniel would have known Jerusalem was not devastated for seventy years. The MT is corrupted in this instance. This was first century Jewish though on the matter. The concept, seventy years of desolation for Jerusalem, reflects later Rabbinic interpretation (see Dan. 9:2 Theo and Josephus). Devastations vs. reproach. In the OG we have ὀνειδισμός, meaning “reproach” (singular). See NETS. This is viewed as an error in the transmission: Jer. 25:9 καὶ εἰς ὀνειδισμόν and (I turn them) into a disgrace ולחרפות is read for MT and (I will turn them) into desolations. However, as seen, Dan. 9:2 is not drawn from Jer. 29:10, but Jer. 25:9-12. Here it could mean “reproach, disgrace, insult” (cf. Jer. 18:16; 19:8; Ezek. 5:13, 14). Specifically Jer. 25:9, and something to whistle at and places devastated to time indefinite.” LXX καὶ εἰς ὀνειδισμόν. See BHS footnote. KBLex, in accordance with the textcritical note suggests an emendation to (“as a disgrace”). See J. Lust, E. Eynikel & K. Hauspie (2003). A Greek-English Lexicon of the Septuagint: Revised Edition. Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft: Stuttgart. According to secular chronology, Jerusalem did not lie desolate for seventy years, but her reproach and humiliation could have started with Jehoiakim’s three year Babylonian servitude, completing Jeremiah’s seventy year cycle (2 Kings 24:1, 2; cf. Is. 25:9, 11). See also Dan. 9:16.

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What changes are on the way?

by insearchoftruth in

i was listening to the co talk to my wife’s congregation on sunday and pretty much the complete talk was justifying doctrinal and organizational changes and pretty much preparing the ‘rank and file’ for upcoming changes.

anyone on hear have any insight of what ‘new light’ is coming in the future?.

Vidqun

Pharaoh Necho’s campaign in northern Syria coincides with the brief reign of Jehoahaz, who was deposed on Necho’s return shortly after 1 Tishri (late Sept) 609, at which time Jehoiakim’s accession begins. First year of Jehoiakim, Tishri 608 (Sept–Oct) to Elul 607 (Aug–Sept). Third year of Jehoiakim, Tishri 606 (Sept–Oct) to last of Elul, 605 (Oct 6). This is the twenty-first year of Nabopolasar and the accession year of Nebuchadrezzar. Battle of Carchemish, late May to early June 605; Nabopolasar’s death Aug 15/16, 605. Nebuchadrezzar’s coronation Sept 7, 605. The accession year of Nebuchadrezzar = the third year of Jehoiakim. First (regnal) year of Nebuchadrezzar = the fourth year of Jehoiakim.

Jehoiakim reigned 11 years in Jerusalem (2 Kings 23:36). Dan. 1:1, 2 encompasses a period of 8 years. At the beginning of the eight years, in 605 BCE, Daniel and his companions would be deported (Dan. 1:1, 3). At the end of the eight years, in 597, Jehoiakim would be deposed, and some of the temple utensils taken (2 Chron. 36:5-7; Jer. 52:28; Dan. 1:2). Next followed Jehoiachin’s appointment, lasting only three months. Nebuchadrezzar, in his 8th year, would take 8000 into exile, including Jehoiachin. All remaining temple utensils would be taken (2 Kings 24:10-16; 2 Chron. 36:9, 10). This proves that the deportations do not have to be associated with the siege and capture of Jerusalem. Even after the fall of Jerusalem, during Nebuchadrezzar’s 18th year, the land was not left completely desolate. Jeremiah reports a final deportation in Nebuchadrezzar’s 23rd year (Jer. 52:27-30). See A. R. Green (1982). “The Chronology of the Last Days of Judah: Two Apparent Discrepancies.” Journal of Biblical Literature, 101, pp. 57–73.

Land was never desolate for seventy years. The slavery of the nations under the Babylonians would last seventy years (Jer. 25:11).

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The WT brings up the theme of fleeing

by Kosonen in

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friends

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-january-2022/those-seeking-jehovah-will-lack-nothing-good/.

this article explains what a modern time application to fleeing might involve in the prophecy jesus told about the last days.. that is a timely reminder.

i think it will become soon possible to flee to australia from the mark of the beast.

Vidqun

Riblah, it's frightening, I agree. However take note, fearmonger: someone who spreads fear and needlessly raises the alarm. If you have children in Australia, be warned. The Australian leaders have become insane. In other words, if you have a child, would you allow him/her to be bussed to an enclosed stadium and be vaccinated without your permission or presence?

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The WT brings up the theme of fleeing

by Kosonen in

jw
friends

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-january-2022/those-seeking-jehovah-will-lack-nothing-good/.

this article explains what a modern time application to fleeing might involve in the prophecy jesus told about the last days.. that is a timely reminder.

i think it will become soon possible to flee to australia from the mark of the beast.

Vidqun

Hope you don't have children.

https://www.brighteon.com/4a4d904f-b524-47d5-99d9-3e25d540b27d