Waton, you misunderstand. I believe the Israel of God is involved in the New Covenant, that is everybody (Hebr. 8:6, 9, 10, 13; 10:16). As leaders of the Israel of God the 144000 is also part of the New Covenant. These come out of the twelve tribes of Israel (Rev. 7:4). However, Jesus also concluded with his close disciples the kingdom covenant (Matt. 19:28). The memorial celebration involves the New Covenant (1 Cor. 11:25).
Posts by Vidqun
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24Why doesn't the wt discuss the real reason many partake?
by nowwhat? init has nothing to do about feeling chosen or ruling in heaven, but rather many feel it's a command for all christians, that by partaking you are accepting christ as their saviour!
john 6-.
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China where it started ,83,000 / USA now <400,000 How come ?
by smiddy3 inam i missing something here ?
how is it that where this covid 19 started , in wuhan china, china has only ,reportedly 83,000 for the whole country ?
whereas in the united states of america the figure is just under 400,000 ?.
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Vidqun
Biography: John Martin served as an ABC News national correspondent based in Washington and New York (1975-2002). He covered events in the United States, Europe. China, Central and South America, the Middle East and South Africa. His reports appeared on Nightline with Ted Koppel, This Week with David Brinkley, 20/20, and World News Tonight with Peter Jennings. Upon retiring, he taught national affairs reporting at the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism (2002-2010). Martin began his journalism career as a reporter, photo editor, and copy editor at The San Diego Union-Tribune, Augusta (GA) Chronicle, and The New York Times International Edition (1956-66). Martin entered television journalism at the NBC News affiliate, KCRA TV, in Sacramento, CA, where he covered local, state and national issues and organized and conducted reporting trips to Africa and the Middle East (1966-75) His reports, analysis and essays have appeared in The New York Times, The Boston Globe, Christian Science Monitor, and Washington Monthly.
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China where it started ,83,000 / USA now <400,000 How come ?
by smiddy3 inam i missing something here ?
how is it that where this covid 19 started , in wuhan china, china has only ,reportedly 83,000 for the whole country ?
whereas in the united states of america the figure is just under 400,000 ?.
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Vidqun
Here's a few articles speculating on the origin of the virus. Some of it has been debunked. In the end it seems as though it did escape from the Wuhan lab by accident.Even the Chinese are ruling the fish market out. Some of the first persons contracting the disease never went to the fish market. Also the Chinese that went into the caves to catch the bats, "forgot to put on protective clothing."
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China where it started ,83,000 / USA now <400,000 How come ?
by smiddy3 inam i missing something here ?
how is it that where this covid 19 started , in wuhan china, china has only ,reportedly 83,000 for the whole country ?
whereas in the united states of america the figure is just under 400,000 ?.
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China where it started ,83,000 / USA now <400,000 How come ?
by smiddy3 inam i missing something here ?
how is it that where this covid 19 started , in wuhan china, china has only ,reportedly 83,000 for the whole country ?
whereas in the united states of america the figure is just under 400,000 ?.
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Vidqun
Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus has repeatedly parroted Chinese Communist Party talking points, constantly heaping praise on Beijing’s response to coronavirus despite the fact that China hid the truth about its spread and viciously silenced scientists and doctors who tried to warn the world.
Now we know why.
As John Martin explains in his excellent piece ‘The Crimes of Tedros Adhanom’, during his time in Ethiopia, the WHO chief was a member of the Tigray People’s Liberation Front (TPLF), a violent communist revolutionary party which was listed as a terrorist organization by the U.S. government in the 90’s.
According to one Ethiopian newspaper, Adhanom was listed as the 3rd most important member of the politbureau standing committee in the TPLF.
Martin writes how the TPLF engaged in “systematic discrimination and human rights abuses” by refusing emergency healthcare to the Amhara ethnic group because of their affiliation with the opposition party. The Ministry of Health that oversaw these abuses was led at the time by Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus.
Birth rates were recorded to be significantly lower in the Amhara region compared to other regions and 2 million Amhara people “disappeared” from the subsequent population census.
As Tucker Carlson highlighted earlier this week, Adhanom “got his job with Chinese support after he covered up cholera outbreaks in his home country” of Egypt.
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China where it started ,83,000 / USA now <400,000 How come ?
by smiddy3 inam i missing something here ?
how is it that where this covid 19 started , in wuhan china, china has only ,reportedly 83,000 for the whole country ?
whereas in the united states of america the figure is just under 400,000 ?.
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Vidqun
The modelers started off by using Chinese numbers for their models. They soon found out their mistake. E.g., Italy, Spain, France and now UK and USA. That's why Trump is very unhappy with Chinese reporting. He said so in one of his broadcasts. If they were honest, the rest of the world would be much better off.
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China where it started ,83,000 / USA now <400,000 How come ?
by smiddy3 inam i missing something here ?
how is it that where this covid 19 started , in wuhan china, china has only ,reportedly 83,000 for the whole country ?
whereas in the united states of america the figure is just under 400,000 ?.
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Vidqun
Head of WHO is an Ethiopean communist. No wonder he thinks China is doing a good job.
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China where it started ,83,000 / USA now <400,000 How come ?
by smiddy3 inam i missing something here ?
how is it that where this covid 19 started , in wuhan china, china has only ,reportedly 83,000 for the whole country ?
whereas in the united states of america the figure is just under 400,000 ?.
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Vidqun
Wuhan imported eight incinerators, each doing three tonnes a day. Then it was noticed that the sulphur pollution over Wuhan increased drastically. Sulphur residue in the air is increased with organic incineration. See Zerohedge for relevant articles.
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China where it started ,83,000 / USA now <400,000 How come ?
by smiddy3 inam i missing something here ?
how is it that where this covid 19 started , in wuhan china, china has only ,reportedly 83,000 for the whole country ?
whereas in the united states of america the figure is just under 400,000 ?.
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Vidqun
21 million cellphones in China went dead. That tells you something.
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Why doesn't the wt discuss the real reason many partake?
by nowwhat? init has nothing to do about feeling chosen or ruling in heaven, but rather many feel it's a command for all christians, that by partaking you are accepting christ as their saviour!
john 6-.
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Vidqun
I do believe the Watchtower interpretation is untenable for a number of reasons. For those that are interested I will try to explain. The arguments for and against are clearly set out in the footnote of the NET Bible, basically the difference between the Catholic and Protestant position. Obviously the editors of NET take the Protestant position, seeing that it is a Protestant Bible:
John 6:53 (NET footnote) says: Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood. These words are at the heart of the discourse on the Bread of Life, and have created great misunderstanding among interpreters. Anyone who is inclined toward a sacramental viewpoint will almost certainly want to take these words as a reference to the sacrament of the Lord’s Supper, or the Eucharist, because of the reference to ‘eating his flesh’ and ‘drinking his blood’ (John 6:53ff.; cf. Matt. 26:26-28). But this does not automatically follow: By anyone’s definition there must be a symbolic element to the eating which Jesus speaks of in the discourse, and once this is admitted, it is better to understand it here, as in the previous references in the passage, to a personal receiving of (or appropriation of) Christ and his work. Notice that in John 6:54 (NET footnote) the result (has eternal life and I will raise him up at the last day) is produced by eating (Jesus’) flesh and drinking his blood. Compare John 6:40 where the same result is produced by “looking on the Son and believing in him.” This suggests that the phrase here (eats my flesh and drinks my blood) is to be understood by the phrase in John 6:40 (looks on the Son and believes in him).
However, I personally believe that it is no coincidence that Jesus uses this very same terminology when instituting the memorial of his death. Early on in his ministry (already in John 6) he would be preparing the people for the Eucharist. Note the context, he is speaking to all the people, including Pharisees. He also refers to Judas who would betray him (6:71).
His intimate followers, later to be anointed with holy spirit, are in a special covenant relationship with him (Matt. 19:28; Luke 22:28-30; cf. Rev. 5:9, 10). They would be celebrating the memorial in remembrance of their Lord, for forgiveness of sins as well as being participants of the new covenant as leaders of the Israel of God (Matt. 26:28; 1 Cor. 11:25; Gal. 6:15, 16; Rev. 14:1-5; 20:4). Jesus’ earthly subjects would celebrate the memorial in remembrance of their Lord, for forgiveness sins and being participants of the new covenant as part of the Israel of God. By so doing both groups would be unified in “proclaiming the death of the Lord until he arrives” and attaining the forgiveness of sins (Matt. 26:28; 1 Cor. 11:24-26; Gal. 6:15, 16; cf. John 6:56).
After the death and resurrection of the Christ, God would choose a people, made up of individuals from the nations, for his Name. By divine providence these would be called Christians (Acts 11:26; 15:14-18). However, the prophet Isaiah predicts the miraculous birth of a nation as a new creation, suddenly, and without birth pains (Is. 54:6-8, 13; 62:4, 5; 66:6-10; 2 Cor. 5:17; Gal. 4:24-27). This new nation, known as “the Israel of God” as well as the “the tribes of the people of Israel” will be chosen from the nations to replace “fleshly Israel” (cf. Is. 66:8; Dan. 9:27a; Matt. 19:28; 1 Cor. 10:18; Gal. 6:16; Rev. 7:4 NET). God will be concluding with them a new or better covenant (Heb. 8:6, 9, 10; 10:16).
Definition of a new creation is a person who is in union with Christ: “Consequently if anyone is in union with Christ [united with the Messiah, CJB], he is a new creation; the old things passed away, look! new things have come into existence” (2 Cor. 5:17). The Israel of God also qualifies as a new creation as it is born miraculously, without birth pains: “Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is a new creation. Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule, even to the Israel of God” (Is. 66:7; Gal. 4:24-27; 6:15, 16 NIV1984).
The transition between aforementioned chapters of Revelation (6:15-17; 7:1) is introduced by the Greek phrase Καὶ μετὰ τοῦτο (Rev. 7:1 Tischendorf’s New Testament, 8th edition), “and after this,” “this” referring to the kings of the earth and their followers, finding refuge in their underground shelters. If that is the case, the sealing of the 144000 should be viewed as a future event. Note also that they are taken from the twelve tribes of Israel (7:4).