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Are you part of the problem?

by one in

if we are so concerned about the wt and know the role organizations play in our sociaty,

then with moral responsability we should be able to provide a complete real answer instead of just complaint about the wt, if we can't then...

lets assume you are a gb member and your proposal (complete real answer) has the chance of being approved.

one

HS,

with little monitoring as to their cause and effect on society at large.

Not really, in many many nations is totally the opposite.

This toleration is often due to the thinking that so closely attaches a persons right to worship with the very concept of democracy

Not really, global perspective, democracy is not practiced everywhere, not even by those nations that claim to be democratic.

However, all other social structures within these nations are closely monitored to ensure that they do not damage the nations individual citizens, and that if do there are laws to attend to them and bring them to book.

laws = toilet paper in many cases

"ensure"? sure commercialized children porn has been elimitated, IE is free from hackers...

Heck even "decent" gov look to the other side when drug deals are ruining "the nations individual citizens" and the whole country.

How much must a gov invest to eliminate such "coruupt' org?

200 billion, such as invested in irak? or 25 millions such as invested in South Asia?

hidden behind the First Amendment peversely using it for a purpose never intended.

they are smater and "fittest"

What can be done? I believe that *all* religions should be taxed - every one of them - they are after all businesses at their core. I believe that all religions should be licensed by the government on a yearly basis and that their licenses may be revoked if complaints of a found nature are levied against that religion. I believe that all religions, like all other legal corporations, should be regularly monitored by the government to ensure that no harm comes to their adherents. I believe, finally, that all religions should be insured and that an easier path should be allowed to compensate victims when harm can be proved.

your proposal, for the usa and many countries required a "reform" to the constitution, how probable is it?

your proposal rely too much on the gov and little on citicens iniciative, crime can not be stopped without citizens initiciative and of course support from the gov they elect.

In fact lack of citizenz iniciative is what keep corrupt religions alive despite some gov intentions, so people not only deserve the gov they got but also the religion that exploit them.

Individuals who try to initiate a civic movement to eliminate corruption of any kind find litle support from "citizens"

You finally bring bush into the picture but any nation deserve its president.

AND did you say come clean?, I doubt Bush beleives what you think he beleives, he is smart and one the "fittest"

Lets face reality and propose tradicional solutions until "citizens" become more educated and brave.

What would you do if you were a GB member with probability to implement a real proposal?

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Are you part of the problem?

by one in

if we are so concerned about the wt and know the role organizations play in our sociaty,

then with moral responsability we should be able to provide a complete real answer instead of just complaint about the wt, if we can't then...

lets assume you are a gb member and your proposal (complete real answer) has the chance of being approved.

one

Alan,

wait one more thing

Reform of many organizations is impossible. Reform of many corrupt people is impossible. While you can't reform irreformable people, you can certainly "reform" corrupt organizations right out of existence. The alternative -- to leave them be to continue hurting people, is a bad solution.

Sure, because they couldn't reform the religious people who kept the traditions alive despite the bans.

That's to show that people can hardly be reformed, corrupt or not, even by a determined gov.

AND since real people are supporting such "corrupt" organizations, by negligence, inability to think or intentionally, the "proposal" is similar to "survival of the fittest", actually the ideal antidote or counterfight. Obviously until now the "corrupt" ARE the "fittest"

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Are you part of the problem?

by one in

if we are so concerned about the wt and know the role organizations play in our sociaty,

then with moral responsability we should be able to provide a complete real answer instead of just complaint about the wt, if we can't then...

lets assume you are a gb member and your proposal (complete real answer) has the chance of being approved.

one

Alan,

I agree 200% with your latest reply.

BUT due to the small probability of implementing such "solution", i am asking for traditional "solutions"

What?

yeah my "happy fingers" and reluctancy to proofread:

I edited the last parragraph

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Are you part of the problem?

by one in

if we are so concerned about the wt and know the role organizations play in our sociaty,

then with moral responsability we should be able to provide a complete real answer instead of just complaint about the wt, if we can't then...

lets assume you are a gb member and your proposal (complete real answer) has the chance of being approved.

one

Joann

Frankly those descriptions work for either one.

Sure, I agree.

The thing is... what to do about it taking in consieration all the issues i tried to present at the beginin of the topic and some more.

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Are you part of the problem?

by one in

if we are so concerned about the wt and know the role organizations play in our sociaty,

then with moral responsability we should be able to provide a complete real answer instead of just complaint about the wt, if we can't then...

lets assume you are a gb member and your proposal (complete real answer) has the chance of being approved.

one

Alan,

"disband" "That which is crooked cannot be made straight" "corrupt nature of the core"

"corrupt nature of the core" is everywhere, should the same solution be applied?

What about the catholic church and a few others nonreligous like Eron, Adelphia, Investment corp in wall st, totally corrupt nations etc.

Such a "proposal" is similar to WT solutions except they feel dont belong to the "corrupt" groups.

Satan and co. has not been "disbanded" could be argued.

a core doctrine, which I call The Fundamental Doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses, that puts them in between their God and the JW community

The Pope is " Infallible" (god), he and the church promise "hell" (fear) for the infidel. Divorce is not possible, comdoms are banned.

At some point back in relatively recent history, they even killed (what could be worst?) infidels just like the WT would like to do.

Until now, despite outcry by extremist, even atheist governments have found counterproductive to "disband" or totally eliminate those "corrupt" religions They did managed to "disband' what they considered "corrupt" corporations and paid a price which they considere they could afford.

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A question about the Bible?

by kls in

as far as i can remember there was nothing ever mentioned about dinosaurs existing .

why to you think it only has the beginning with adam & eve and nothing before that even tho we know by fossils and skeletal remains that they did indeed roam the earth.

in jesus day they must have come across some skeletal remains or fossils but there is no mention of it .

one

kls,

the bible says: "8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 male and female, came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah."

BUT the big animals you mention did not fit, the door was too small and the Ark not big eunogh, there was no time to fix that. Later, hurt and ashame Noah got drunk and you know the rest of the story.

AND since all that was written after the facts, as informed by Noah, he save his face by not telling anything about the big animals.

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Are you part of the problem?

by one in

if we are so concerned about the wt and know the role organizations play in our sociaty,

then with moral responsability we should be able to provide a complete real answer instead of just complaint about the wt, if we can't then...

lets assume you are a gb member and your proposal (complete real answer) has the chance of being approved.

one

what-Truth?,

Are you or are you not part of the problem? tell us your fundaments for your conclusion.

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Are you part of the problem?

by one in

if we are so concerned about the wt and know the role organizations play in our sociaty,

then with moral responsability we should be able to provide a complete real answer instead of just complaint about the wt, if we can't then...

lets assume you are a gb member and your proposal (complete real answer) has the chance of being approved.

one

Estefanie

That would never happen since I am a woman.

Are you admitting you also gave up your right to "assume" in private?

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Are you part of the problem?

by one in

if we are so concerned about the wt and know the role organizations play in our sociaty,

then with moral responsability we should be able to provide a complete real answer instead of just complaint about the wt, if we can't then...

lets assume you are a gb member and your proposal (complete real answer) has the chance of being approved.

one

If we are so concerned about the wt and know the role organizations play in our sociaty,

then with moral responsability we should be able to provide a complete real answer instead of just complaint about the WT, if we can't then...

Lets assume you are a GB member and your proposal (complete real answer) has the chance of being approved.

What would you suggest, generally speaking, i don't think anyone is able to come up with a new set of fail proof, proven doctrines.

What should be told, regarding major doctrines what should jw beleive, what should they do and expect from now on.

Have in mind that discarding 1914 will have other implications such as on the FDS doctrine.

Do you have experience runniing a major corporation?

What do you think will be the implications of implementing your suggestions? Think about the collective and think also in legal, moral, religious and economic terms. Will it create other problems?

Will you suggestion expose the org to legal cases? do we have insurance to cover potential damages?

What the role of the GB will be?, those are the question that quickly come up.

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Married People are less Creative

by one in

http://msn.careerbuilder.com/custom/msn/careeradvice/413.htm?siteid=cbmsnhp4398&sc_extcmp=js_wi1_sept04_home1>1=5938&cbrecursioncnt=1&cbsid=014626ac55874d07be5b18eb4a51333c-158374177-tf-1

"a study of 280 successful scientists found that their creativity tended to diminish once they got married.

this also held true for musicians, painters and authors.

one

"A study of 280 successful scientists found that their creativity tended to diminish once they got married. This also held true for musicians, painters and authors. "

been there done that but... what about if they become single again