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my take...

by teejay in

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friends

... on the watchtower society.

i am not one who will ever bother to waste my time heaping praise on the jw religion as though it were some kind of improvement on society.

i have no qualms in saying that it was, is, and always will be a dangerous religion ?

one

HS

have seen many XJW's who are complete dysfunctional wrecks due to their experience within the walls of the WTS.

LOG

I would say much more depends upon the individual

themselves.

I agreee with the later, many may have become "dysfunctional wrecks" anyway, jw or no jw.

During the last decade or so i have seen too many jw and nonjw people go "bipolar".... euphemism for crazy, schizophrenic or someone who could not confront reality, for whatever the reason. In the case of jw they can not face their jw reality: no paradaise, no money, hardly making ends meet etc etc

ht tp://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/82420/1.ashx

There are many thing i dont regret about jw
learning from jw about cristmas is one of them
The jw were very open about cristmas, going against the "system" require some strenght and that in itself attracted many to the jw org.
It teached me not to accept anything at face value and to question just about anything.
I concluded at early age that anybody and everybody could be wrong. I have benefit all along from such early conclusion, thanks to the jw..
But for some reason I did not question most jw teachings... I did questions some teaching and rules long ago..
I think it was due to lack of references. The "messengers" that passed around some weak messages against jw lacked credibility, in the first place they beleived in cristmas, a celebration that have been proven to be "pagan". Anything I ever read or heard did not refute jw doctrines.
There many other things i consider positive about jw, dont you?.
On the other hand, as Ray Franz says in his books we are not free of blame for accepting unfounded jw teachings, the most we can say is repeat that we have been "victims of victims", but the victim is not always without responsability... but if feels better when the victim can totally blame someone else.

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The Global Flood

by coldfish in

i've just read an intersting article on the flood to do with dates and whether is was truly global or a regional flood.. http://www.commentarypress.com/essay-flood.html.

my father used to be an elder for many years and the flood was one of the things that made him walk away not just from the jw but also belief in the bible.

he was hung up on issues like the flood taking place about 3500 bc and how that fit in with the pyramids.. i don't know much about egyptian history or the ages of the big pyramids, but his reasoning was if the flood wiped out every human on earth except noah etc then at 3500 bc there were only 8 people on earth.

one

A Cristian,

I believe this "sign" will help some people to put their faith in Christ who are now having a hard time doing so, due to being told that there is no scientific evidence that the God of the Bible exists.

Was that your case?

I assume your great effort in this board is to "help", when someone places a great effort on anything is because it is considered very important.

What's the stimated 'success rate'? mainly outside this board, the result in this board is more or less obvious.

The wide spread inclination to refute the bible based on scientific evidencie is rather a recent 'movement',

so the "help" for such a minority group was supplied before the problem appeared, dont you think?

What kind of help has been supplied for the majority who wonder where is god/jesus when they for no apparent reason confront so many problems, catastrofic "natural" and man made events. The bible, that you beleive is inspired thanks to the "help", does not seem to provide a clear answer even to those who beleive in it. Do you know the 'answer'.?

I am not too concerned in refuting the 400 as such.

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THE WORST THING ABOUT THE BORG ??????????

by vitty in

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friends

what was the worse thing while you where in the "truth".

for me, it felt that everynight was a meeting night, the relentlous pressure getting to the meetings.. for my husband, apart from the meetings, it was the never ending assiments.

for my teenage son, it must have been field service.

one

no free time to do anything else, ask those with "privileges"

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THE GENERATION OF 1914

by Mary in

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friends

it makes you wonder when exactly the governing body and their lawyers decided to change the "generation of 1914" doctrine.

the first quotation below is from the 1992 wt and the second one from the 1993 brochure the purpose of life, just two lousy years before they imfamously dropped the whole idea:

*** w92 5/1 p. 7 the 1914 generation?why significant?

one

I mentioned this to GB member Albert Schroeder, and he confirmed that, indeed, lots more changes were forthcoming. He wouldn't be specific

As we know, he wanted to change the doctrine long before it became such an embarrassment to the WT, as we learn from Ray's account on CoC.

Around 1980 at a large convention Albert Schroeder admitted or implied that the wt made mistakes fixing dates, he mentioned some specific dates such as 1925 and 1975 and then concluded saying well "we have no more dates"... it was the closest to an apology i ever heard..

BTW

Albert Schroeder was allowed to raise a boy while at Brooklyn, dont know if the child lived within WT facilites, but the boy later worked there, became officially part of the family in brooklyn.

The gossip was the the GB needed a member with experience raising a family.

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How does the society explain 5 more partakers at the Memorial?

by lv4fer in

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friends

i think it's kind of funny.

how do they explain more people this year than lasts?

i thought the number was suppose to get lower as they died off?

one

Is there any other religion teaching the "144k"

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The Global Flood

by coldfish in

i've just read an intersting article on the flood to do with dates and whether is was truly global or a regional flood.. http://www.commentarypress.com/essay-flood.html.

my father used to be an elder for many years and the flood was one of the things that made him walk away not just from the jw but also belief in the bible.

he was hung up on issues like the flood taking place about 3500 bc and how that fit in with the pyramids.. i don't know much about egyptian history or the ages of the big pyramids, but his reasoning was if the flood wiped out every human on earth except noah etc then at 3500 bc there were only 8 people on earth.

one

nark,

Now if there were Cinderella apologists, we'd have a hard time convincing them that the Cinderella story is not meant to be historical.

Yes, if it was part of a religious beleif.

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The Global Flood

by coldfish in

i've just read an intersting article on the flood to do with dates and whether is was truly global or a regional flood.. http://www.commentarypress.com/essay-flood.html.

my father used to be an elder for many years and the flood was one of the things that made him walk away not just from the jw but also belief in the bible.

he was hung up on issues like the flood taking place about 3500 bc and how that fit in with the pyramids.. i don't know much about egyptian history or the ages of the big pyramids, but his reasoning was if the flood wiped out every human on earth except noah etc then at 3500 bc there were only 8 people on earth.

one

A Cristian

a while back I asked:

Whats so important about the sign then?

did i miss your answer?

my question is the context that that of all "saved" humans only some see the sign, as you mention.

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What's next for the Watchtower in 2005?

by truthseeker in

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friends

after all the events of 2004 regarding the botchtower, what do you think will happen next year?.

i can think of a few events.. first of all, 70 years will have passed since rutherflawed took on the name "jehovah's witnesses" - a gross misapplication of that scripture in isaiah.. all the new man presses will be operational - already, the wt have increased their watchtower circulation.. "godly obedience" district convention next summer - we all know what that will be about; and don't forget the layman's km article on how to book a hotel, and not just any hotel at that either.. a new book to replace "organised to accomplish our ministry".

bro barr of the governing body turns 100 (i think this is correct).

one

more 'older' elders will show they are getting tired, i have seen many that look depressed or "lost"

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THE GENERATION OF 1914

by Mary in

jw
friends

it makes you wonder when exactly the governing body and their lawyers decided to change the "generation of 1914" doctrine.

the first quotation below is from the 1992 wt and the second one from the 1993 brochure the purpose of life, just two lousy years before they imfamously dropped the whole idea:

*** w92 5/1 p. 7 the 1914 generation?why significant?

one

Most people have short memory AND no intention to resgin their private club just becasue the directors rescheduled the game."millions will never die"

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Go Back to the Kingdom Hall and Leave Us Alone!

by steve2 in

jw
friends

has anyone else observed or even taken part in the strange phenomenon of defending something even when you have doubts about it?

it's not a new phenomenon; i think freud called it "reactive formation".

i notice every now and then, jws and/or their supporters tentatively surface on the jw discussion board.

one

There are several stages from illness to recovery, some stages last longer and some people go through all stages faster, depending on immune system and kind of illness. Some people never recover no matter what and die.... doctors just wait and hope but never blame the sick one.