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The Global Flood

by coldfish in

i've just read an intersting article on the flood to do with dates and whether is was truly global or a regional flood.. http://www.commentarypress.com/essay-flood.html.

my father used to be an elder for many years and the flood was one of the things that made him walk away not just from the jw but also belief in the bible.

he was hung up on issues like the flood taking place about 3500 bc and how that fit in with the pyramids.. i don't know much about egyptian history or the ages of the big pyramids, but his reasoning was if the flood wiped out every human on earth except noah etc then at 3500 bc there were only 8 people on earth.

one

A cristian,

You ask questions which the finite mind of man is probably unable understand the answers to, even if we are given their answers.

For the questions you ask are both related to our dimension of time.

Since the "sign" is "related to our dimension of time", such as 4000 years "before jesus etc, i thought my question was appropriate.

And since you have been able to see the "sign". I sincerely decided to ask you some more question. I appreciate your answers, which included:

I don't have all the answers. I wish I did.

That's much better than wt answer.Then i will be back on stand by, save unanswered "tough" questions, try to do my best within humans limitations, and wait for new light.

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The Global Flood

by coldfish in

i've just read an intersting article on the flood to do with dates and whether is was truly global or a regional flood.. http://www.commentarypress.com/essay-flood.html.

my father used to be an elder for many years and the flood was one of the things that made him walk away not just from the jw but also belief in the bible.

he was hung up on issues like the flood taking place about 3500 bc and how that fit in with the pyramids.. i don't know much about egyptian history or the ages of the big pyramids, but his reasoning was if the flood wiped out every human on earth except noah etc then at 3500 bc there were only 8 people on earth.

one

A Cristian,

I think you know as well as I do what my answer to that question will be.

Not really, sincerely, that's why i did not ask a "gravity" dropped question that will follow..

For the Bible tells us that God knows, "the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done." (Isaiah 46:10)

So he knew about satan and company before she/he became satan...

AND God knew about the failing of his human creation before he cretated them.

I have been asking the following (modified) questions since i have heard about the matter for the fist time.

Would you build a condo building if you knew it was going to fall and kill most residents?

would you review the design?

or would you design "help" for a very minority group, and another kind of help for another larger group? (potential surivors) knowin full well that the great majority of residents will not survive.

know the jw answer... my question is still up in the air as the jw answer, as i understand, is lacking convincing arguments. The bible which i am willing to beleive to a greater extent has to make sense. "Science", cause and effect tell me the condo building was not designed properly, in fact it was brand new when it falled.

I am not kidding nor trying to waste my time nor your time..

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The Watchtower: Sincere Old Men or Deliberate Deceivers?

by metatron in

when a witness encounters injustices engendered by the watchtower and considers them.

with clarity of mind, he is likely to suppose that , at worst, the old men who run things.

are sincere but misguided.

one

were doctrines devised to deceive?

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The Global Flood

by coldfish in

i've just read an intersting article on the flood to do with dates and whether is was truly global or a regional flood.. http://www.commentarypress.com/essay-flood.html.

my father used to be an elder for many years and the flood was one of the things that made him walk away not just from the jw but also belief in the bible.

he was hung up on issues like the flood taking place about 3500 bc and how that fit in with the pyramids.. i don't know much about egyptian history or the ages of the big pyramids, but his reasoning was if the flood wiped out every human on earth except noah etc then at 3500 bc there were only 8 people on earth.

one

One,

That's not too tough. God anticipated a problem and provided help for it in advance, help that would be understood at the appropriate time.

Ok the "help", to resolve a problem, was the "sign".

When did God "anticipated a problem"?

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The Watchtower: Sincere Old Men or Deliberate Deceivers?

by metatron in

when a witness encounters injustices engendered by the watchtower and considers them.

with clarity of mind, he is likely to suppose that , at worst, the old men who run things.

are sincere but misguided.

one

as i mentioned before "Religion and emotions are hard to deal with" no matter on what side of the controversy a person is located.

"Sincere Old Men or Deliberate Deceivers?"

would it be a deper question to ask

do they have an open mind?

do they have what it takes to analyse the issues?

unless we know them very well it is hard to tell.

who knows.. some may be find themselves with no options, just keep quite or leave at old age.

Any jw with a reasonable mind, after reaching the top or near the top, must conclude it is all BS

BUT this "wait on jehovah" mind set is hard to disregard, the bible itself suport it.. Even Satan was loose up in heaven and now on earth "waiting" for J.

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The Watchtower: Sincere Old Men or Deliberate Deceivers?

by metatron in

when a witness encounters injustices engendered by the watchtower and considers them.

with clarity of mind, he is likely to suppose that , at worst, the old men who run things.

are sincere but misguided.

one

metatron

If they are sincere, they do the above

"blind" can not guide.

It must be a trip feeling "choosen".

so they find support in jesus words and experience, Jesus was accused of doing this and that, that he even proposed to rebuild the temple in three (3) days if destroyed, no pearls to swine,

after all, most if not all traditional anti jw literature is very antagonic, instead of presenting just facts.

It is about saving face, about my religion, my country, my state, my city, my neigborhood, my family RIGHT OR WRONG, why should i give ammunitions to the enemy.

Leaders and most citizens will alwasy find that what their country have done was justified and there is no need for apologies.

Religion and emotions are hard to deal with.

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The Watchtower: Sincere Old Men or Deliberate Deceivers?

by metatron in

when a witness encounters injustices engendered by the watchtower and considers them.

with clarity of mind, he is likely to suppose that , at worst, the old men who run things.

are sincere but misguided.

one

they are trying, they are trying to to fix things with new light

remember what Ray said in CoC... more than two (2) decades ago three (3) GB members officially proposed ( to the twelve (?) members gb board) to change 1914 for 1957 as the year when the SIGN became visible.

THAT was the only recommendation after being assigned to come up with an alternative or solution to the 1914 and 1975 fiasco

The SIGN being space "vehicles" staring to appear during 1957 with the first satellite (*sputnik"?), the proposal was rejected (silly?)

So you see they are sincere, only problem is they haven't come up with a good number and better signs, after being back on the drawing board for decades.

During the mean time here is their reply to any complaint "wait on J, ""don't be presumptuous", those who "run ahead" are showing who they really are

Are they missing missing freddy?..., but Freddy (th oracle) was the one needing some correction, new light.. .

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The Global Flood

by coldfish in

i've just read an intersting article on the flood to do with dates and whether is was truly global or a regional flood.. http://www.commentarypress.com/essay-flood.html.

my father used to be an elder for many years and the flood was one of the things that made him walk away not just from the jw but also belief in the bible.

he was hung up on issues like the flood taking place about 3500 bc and how that fit in with the pyramids.. i don't know much about egyptian history or the ages of the big pyramids, but his reasoning was if the flood wiped out every human on earth except noah etc then at 3500 bc there were only 8 people on earth.

one

A Cristian

I asked: What's so important about the sign then?

Your answer: I believe this "sign" will help some people to put their faith in Christ who are now having a hard time doing so, due to being told that there is no scientific evidence that the God of the Bible exists.

Let me repeat what i said before using different words.Focus on the idea not the words.

1.- According to you the "sign" is a solution to a problem.

2.- The solution was designed, implemented long before the problem existed.

To the above basic statements you answered: " Not really, the timing seems about right to me."

Your answer is not an appropiate answer. Pleas elaborate around the two (2) basic statements.

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Rear Ender

by AlanF in

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the other day i was riding my new motorcycle and saw this:.

alanf

one

is she trying to exploit her natural resources?

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The Watchtower: Sincere Old Men or Deliberate Deceivers?

by metatron in

when a witness encounters injustices engendered by the watchtower and considers them.

with clarity of mind, he is likely to suppose that , at worst, the old men who run things.

are sincere but misguided.

one

They all know they are "victims of victims, but sincerely want to preserve the org..

On the other hand big wt men do not trust rank and file, they think they are too "weak" and will not resist temptations if they watch tv, go to college, surf the internet etc.

I was surprised bethelites were allowed to received newspapers. then I was surprised that tv sets were allowed at Bethel homes.

It is all about human nature, you me comeup with a better example but,

assuming a woman find out after her children are all teenagers, that their father is not really their father, probably there is more than one father, as she was drunk ('spirit' directed) every time she became pregnant with a new child (religious idea)

Will she wait until her children became adults, so it wont hurt as much and they all leave the house? or will she say nothing and take the secrets to the grave?.