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Are you part of the problem?

by one in

if we are so concerned about the wt and know the role organizations play in our sociaty,

then with moral responsability we should be able to provide a complete real answer instead of just complaint about the wt, if we can't then...

lets assume you are a gb member and your proposal (complete real answer) has the chance of being approved.

one

HS"prove it", two word i pronounced that can really stimulate...

You are an idiot. Sorry, I tried to think of a less offensive way to let you know, .
Okay stupid I will.

I really appreciate when someone speak his mind, rather than make me beleive something else.: .

but thought the deja-vu too much for mortals to bear.

our strengh is shown by not going into PTSD by any kind of deja-vu, to me the word "brother" can even be appreciated depending on the motive, not the individual..

You make no mention of a global perspective.

"global is obviously implied, the proposal would affect a global community, in fact this forum inmersed in GB discussion is a global community. People who were/are affected by the GB.

On the other hand the fact that WT headquoters is located in the usa does not mean the proposal has to rely or based on usa laws, or law of any particular country. You very well know that the WT has legal cases going in countries all over the "globe", each with their own laws

Otherwise laws will have to determine if a religious "doctrine is "legal". How is a law to prohibit beleiving in 1914 or the FDS?, perhaps blood doctrine yes.

Not only that, BUT WT is prepared to run their programs from many countries and in most countries not matter the circunstances, as proven by Cuba, just 90 miles away from the usa, whose WT branch ties were severed and members monitored. .

Around 1918 WT directors were sent to Jail, based on usa Law. What's more they are fully prepare to deal with gov laws and pressure, they will claim it is Satan and grow in numbers even more.

Learn to debate properly and stop wasting my time

I did not ask nor want to debate for the sake of debating, i mainly asked simple questions which were not answered, except by NARk.

Since i was considered idiot and stupid this later reply may sound idiot and stupid, but i am tired tha's the best i can do right now, i need a beer .

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Are you part of the problem?

by one in

if we are so concerned about the wt and know the role organizations play in our sociaty,

then with moral responsability we should be able to provide a complete real answer instead of just complaint about the wt, if we can't then...

lets assume you are a gb member and your proposal (complete real answer) has the chance of being approved.

one

What_truth,

just as bad as the org is

that is going too far.

you have a moral obligation to either sucessfully rehabilitate the addicts or physically stop the gangs that are selling

collectively speaking yes, accordingly our representatives in gov "seem" like they try

it otherwise you're no better than a crack dealer is

That's going too far.

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Are you part of the problem?

by one in

if we are so concerned about the wt and know the role organizations play in our sociaty,

then with moral responsability we should be able to provide a complete real answer instead of just complaint about the wt, if we can't then...

lets assume you are a gb member and your proposal (complete real answer) has the chance of being approved.

one

HS,

It would help a lot if you actually read peoples posts a little more carefully.

I appreciate your advice, which could be obvious and appreciated even more if you prove it

I did not speak of 'many nation'. I spoke of Democratic nations who have a First Amendment type of law written in their consitution and made that very clear in my post.

but my topic is about a global org and I

stick to it

Not a relevant argument. That people do not implement, or chose to break Laws does not invalidate the effect of these Laws, especially in the long-term.

"Effect"? what effect? I look for a quick net result, there are moral laws too which arec"accepted" by most "citizens" but we still have millenary problems, which this topic is just trying to analyzed on a historical, empirical basis.

Just because criminals continue to comit crimes, does *not* invalidate laws.

sure but applying effectively to organized crime has proven inefficent, in some cases just like if laws hey don't exist,

WT covered phedophlia,.who has won a real case of so many perpetrated?

Only after victims become adults is when some noise is raised, that's it.

This attitude completely ignores the tremendous social progresses made in the democratic nations the past three-hundred years.

Relatively speaking there more corrupted org now than ever before, moral corruption is more widespread, i have clearly witnesed at all levels.

There are corrup org whose only purpose is to teach individuals and org how to be corrupt.

You underestimate the will of the people. When galvanized into action, the people wield a very powerful influence, both on Government and Law

In one of the most democratic countries it could not be "galvanized" to prevent Bush back in power. All along I have taking about.reality, real proposals, not idealistic.future that never appears.

Remember "galvanized" action against Vietnam"?, now we have Irak and others, which have people, "citizens" shaking their heads all over.

Politicians are more accountable to the people in the democratic nations, than at any other time in human history.

It is just a revolving door, politician going in and out, but situation is the same, even more dangerous (911)

Yes he does One. Do some research.

I cant "research" his (Bush) inner mind.

AND if he is still president is just because "citizens" could not do anything about it.

Almost half the nation did not want this President

is that the majority of "ctizens"?, a country "deserve" what the majority choose.

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Are you part of the problem?

by one in

if we are so concerned about the wt and know the role organizations play in our sociaty,

then with moral responsability we should be able to provide a complete real answer instead of just complaint about the wt, if we can't then...

lets assume you are a gb member and your proposal (complete real answer) has the chance of being approved.

one

Quenn,

What about answering the question in the "subject", if your answer is negative, elaborate your reason.

If the roof on a very expensive building, where some seek refuge from strong wind, is leaking water from the roof (as it is happening in all other buildings around), what is to be gain by just complaining about the cause. The real cause being several, lets say, corrupt roofing corp whose original owners are either dead or about to die..

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A question about the Bible?

by kls in

as far as i can remember there was nothing ever mentioned about dinosaurs existing .

why to you think it only has the beginning with adam & eve and nothing before that even tho we know by fossils and skeletal remains that they did indeed roam the earth.

in jesus day they must have come across some skeletal remains or fossils but there is no mention of it .

one

The old green nwt had dinos on the inside covers

That's right, but I haven't seen one in years, what about latest versions?

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Are you part of the problem?

by one in

if we are so concerned about the wt and know the role organizations play in our sociaty,

then with moral responsability we should be able to provide a complete real answer instead of just complaint about the wt, if we can't then...

lets assume you are a gb member and your proposal (complete real answer) has the chance of being approved.

one

And the winner is..

Nark

who stayed in line with the initial questions

Publish grossly eccentric (although Bible-based) "new lights" in every issue of the Watchtower, requiring publishers to do very silly (although not harmful) things in their communities; when the numbers have dropped sufficiently, use the Society's funds to pay for the psychiatric treatment of the last few unconditional adepts...

LOL, really i like that one,

what about any court cases that may come up? you propose damage control and any insurance available?

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Are you part of the problem?

by one in

if we are so concerned about the wt and know the role organizations play in our sociaty,

then with moral responsability we should be able to provide a complete real answer instead of just complaint about the wt, if we can't then...

lets assume you are a gb member and your proposal (complete real answer) has the chance of being approved.

one

HS,

with little monitoring as to their cause and effect on society at large.

Not really, in many many nations is totally the opposite.

This toleration is often due to the thinking that so closely attaches a persons right to worship with the very concept of democracy

Not really, global perspective, democracy is not practiced everywhere, not even by those nations that claim to be democratic.

However, all other social structures within these nations are closely monitored to ensure that they do not damage the nations individual citizens, and that if do there are laws to attend to them and bring them to book.

laws = toilet paper in many cases

"ensure"? sure commercialized children porn has been elimitated, IE is free from hackers...

Heck even "decent" gov look to the other side when drug deals are ruining "the nations individual citizens" and the whole country.

How much must a gov invest to eliminate such "coruupt' org?

200 billion, such as invested in irak? or 25 millions such as invested in South Asia?

hidden behind the First Amendment peversely using it for a purpose never intended.

they are smater and "fittest"

What can be done? I believe that *all* religions should be taxed - every one of them - they are after all businesses at their core. I believe that all religions should be licensed by the government on a yearly basis and that their licenses may be revoked if complaints of a found nature are levied against that religion. I believe that all religions, like all other legal corporations, should be regularly monitored by the government to ensure that no harm comes to their adherents. I believe, finally, that all religions should be insured and that an easier path should be allowed to compensate victims when harm can be proved.

your proposal, for the usa and many countries required a "reform" to the constitution, how probable is it?

your proposal rely too much on the gov and little on citicens iniciative, crime can not be stopped without citizens initiciative and of course support from the gov they elect.

In fact lack of citizenz iniciative is what keep corrupt religions alive despite some gov intentions, so people not only deserve the gov they got but also the religion that exploit them.

Individuals who try to initiate a civic movement to eliminate corruption of any kind find litle support from "citizens"

You finally bring bush into the picture but any nation deserve its president.

AND did you say come clean?, I doubt Bush beleives what you think he beleives, he is smart and one the "fittest"

Lets face reality and propose tradicional solutions until "citizens" become more educated and brave.

What would you do if you were a GB member with probability to implement a real proposal?

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Are you part of the problem?

by one in

if we are so concerned about the wt and know the role organizations play in our sociaty,

then with moral responsability we should be able to provide a complete real answer instead of just complaint about the wt, if we can't then...

lets assume you are a gb member and your proposal (complete real answer) has the chance of being approved.

one

Alan,

wait one more thing

Reform of many organizations is impossible. Reform of many corrupt people is impossible. While you can't reform irreformable people, you can certainly "reform" corrupt organizations right out of existence. The alternative -- to leave them be to continue hurting people, is a bad solution.

Sure, because they couldn't reform the religious people who kept the traditions alive despite the bans.

That's to show that people can hardly be reformed, corrupt or not, even by a determined gov.

AND since real people are supporting such "corrupt" organizations, by negligence, inability to think or intentionally, the "proposal" is similar to "survival of the fittest", actually the ideal antidote or counterfight. Obviously until now the "corrupt" ARE the "fittest"

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Are you part of the problem?

by one in

if we are so concerned about the wt and know the role organizations play in our sociaty,

then with moral responsability we should be able to provide a complete real answer instead of just complaint about the wt, if we can't then...

lets assume you are a gb member and your proposal (complete real answer) has the chance of being approved.

one

Alan,

I agree 200% with your latest reply.

BUT due to the small probability of implementing such "solution", i am asking for traditional "solutions"

What?

yeah my "happy fingers" and reluctancy to proofread:

I edited the last parragraph

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Are you part of the problem?

by one in

if we are so concerned about the wt and know the role organizations play in our sociaty,

then with moral responsability we should be able to provide a complete real answer instead of just complaint about the wt, if we can't then...

lets assume you are a gb member and your proposal (complete real answer) has the chance of being approved.

one

Joann

Frankly those descriptions work for either one.

Sure, I agree.

The thing is... what to do about it taking in consieration all the issues i tried to present at the beginin of the topic and some more.