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  UN Scandal - does anyone know the reason they joined to start with?

  by AK - Jeff in

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  like most on this board, i know the story, have seen the un press release, ect.

  but can someone comment on two questions for me?.

  who caught them with their hands in the cookie jar?

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  btt
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  Level of maturity

  by Justin in

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  is it possible that the jw religion appeals to someone with an adolescent level of maturity, and that people leave it because they simply grow up?

  those who are satisfied may be adults in other areas of their lives, but perhaps spiritually they are still adolescents or even children?

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  "some" by not many... besides those who did either were in 'fragile' or receptive situation in their lives and/or were not too intellingent in the related 'department', i could be very intelligent in some aspect of life and very stupid in another... "relativity" has to be always taken into account.
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  Level of maturity

  by Justin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is it possible that the jw religion appeals to someone with an adolescent level of maturity, and that people leave it because they simply grow up?

  those who are satisfied may be adults in other areas of their lives, but perhaps spiritually they are still adolescents or even children?

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  but perhaps spiritually they are still adolescents or even children?

  or deceiving themselves

  brain dead

  lazy

  there could be other factors and the real answer could be multi-factorial
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  UN Scandal - does anyone know the reason they joined to start with?

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  like most on this board, i know the story, have seen the un press release, ect.

  but can someone comment on two questions for me?.

  who caught them with their hands in the cookie jar?

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  More things to consider,

  To me it seem that this contract (association with the UN) was a secretive one, not even reviewd by the legal dpt, who are real loyal jw lawyers who could raise a red flag..

  WT lawyers have won most cases, they are not stupid.

  The UN accepted an NGO (WT) without questioning... many UN country members knew about all the WT negative publishing about the UN. All of sudden they find WT wants to be "frendly" to the UN and say "welcome"...

  Hard to swallow, now they want to be friendly to a "disgusting thing", every year they signed a contract to promote the derty thing .they even spected an attack from the UN.

  A typical stupidy is not planned and kept secret for so long, for 10 years they could not realize the stupidity? as Alan mentioned: "I contacted several Watchtower officials to get their take on the situation. None of them had ever heard of the Society's Associated NGO status, and were actually shocked to hear of it"

  They kept the card specially after the internet made available more info that could be used to write Awake. BTW imo awake is being reduced to a monthly publication becasue the internet makes available a ton of info, awake pales in comparison.

  Back to the association WT knew it was a public record so to speak, and for 10 years they exposed themselves, taking the risk to be found riding the beast just like the whore they graphically showed so many time in bed with the UN... it was more than stupidity but a calculated risk, which they though could hardly be invetisgated and exposed as it has been done (by 1992 the internet did not exist as known today) At least the WT in the past had always discarded hi negative publicity against them

  One more question, what is the WT "attendance record" to UN "mettings" ?

  Waht has been the WTT participations in one way or another since they became associated . ?

  How many WT "researches" actually visited the UN library? Were just a few secretive "researchers"? Did they (wt reasearchers) actually write anything as a result?

  Does the UN keep record of the cards? (i mean when and how they were utilized.)

  More facts need to be revealed to properly answer the question presented initially on this thread." does anyone know the reason they joined to start with?"

  I will give the WT the benefit of a doubt (not for the use of the card), (curiosity kills the cat?) if they became interested in knowing what was going on inside the UN by networking as NGO somehow. As a "secret" plan to destroy religion was not going to be discussed in a "public" metting in front of NGO.

  Take the above for the sake of discussion if you will, remember the WT took very seriously the UN in "god's plan"... a prominent key element, how could they IGNORE it?.

  Since 1975 did not do any good, so if you can't win join them...
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  UN Scandal - does anyone know the reason they joined to start with?

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  like most on this board, i know the story, have seen the un press release, ect.

  but can someone comment on two questions for me?.

  who caught them with their hands in the cookie jar?

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  SF,

  The only way to fully comprehend this entire issue is to read both of those threads throuyghout.

  this topic is about a particular question, if you think you know the answer i will be more than glad to hear from you and THEN follow your links just to confirm your specific answer/opinion

  BTW

  I think i have fully read just about every thread on this issue...
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  UN Scandal - does anyone know the reason they joined to start with?

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  like most on this board, i know the story, have seen the un press release, ect.

  but can someone comment on two questions for me?.

  who caught them with their hands in the cookie jar?

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  just like any big conspiracy everything is "confused" and finally very simple, an stupidity commited by a weird person, such as Lee Oswald...
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  UN Scandal - does anyone know the reason they joined to start with?

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  like most on this board, i know the story, have seen the un press release, ect.

  but can someone comment on two questions for me?.

  who caught them with their hands in the cookie jar?

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  Alan,

  He's confident that the original reason for signing up was just to have easier access to research materi

  what else could he say and stay politically correct?

  At the advanced stage of affairs and the connotations involved, that was more than an "stupitidy" imo, we all can do an stupid thing in a hurrry,

  BUT filing a application, renewing the membership or "association" every year for 10 years ,hidding the facts to the rank and file jw and EVEN to hi officials gives me and indicacion that something else was going on...

  btw i dont consider the wt to be THAT stupid, as shown by their legal moves, joining the UN was a legal (at least reviewd by the legal dpt) move from the very begining.
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  UN Scandal - does anyone know the reason they joined to start with?

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  like most on this board, i know the story, have seen the un press release, ect.

  but can someone comment on two questions for me?.

  who caught them with their hands in the cookie jar?

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  And I am pretty sure that anything that the UN puts in its own library can be obtained through one of a myriad of govt. agencies for little or no cost.

  I agree,

  SF,

  Also, these two threads by MacHislopp and Hawkaw, are by far, the most comprehensive for understanding meticulously, the U.N./WTBTS association:

  Do any reply proved the "reason" with evidence?

  besides the links, can you summarize?
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  What is the next flash of New Light?

  by Pole in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i personally feel they will have to "adjust" the fds doctrine.

  the tricky thing is that the fds (whoever they are) won't approve this change while they're still alive.

  they don't care, they subconsciously feel it's their end anyway and they won't undermine their doctrinal position having lost all corporate power.. so who will send this beam of new light?

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  They would all have to be mentally retarded not to see THAT connection.

  Your conclusion is about right, and i will repeat that most jw dont see the cocnection between the FDS and the religion,

  in other words i better say not the connection but the importance of such connection./

  Pole,

  True, the GB members are only figureheads now,

  Hi pole!

  you are probably thinking about daily operations but LEGALLY i think they are still on top, not that i have read the "bylaws", just going by what they have been saying all along.

  Robert,

  Getting rid of 1914 or the FDS or anything else will be achieved with little difficulty. It will like when Rutherford cast off Russell's theology and substituted his and Franz's theology.

  history can repeat itself, right?, Rutherford was a lawyer they know how to handle things, btw the WT is a legal corporation with a whole bunch of lawyers behind it.

  They might talk less and less about it (as they are doing with 1914) but 'getting rid' of it, I just can't see HOW they could do that man.

  How? you just provided the answer, which is a prelude for new light, history always give us a clue.
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  Can you comment on this story WITHOUT being negative?

  by nicolaou in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  just for a moment try not to be a bitter, twisted, hate spewing apostate and read this....... .

  by erin concors, tribune .

  jerry and crystal baxter still look back on their first major argument as newlyweds and laugh.

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  ok whe wanted the radi to listen to WBBR, the WT radio stations

  hey the man saved 60 bucks that was a LOT of money at that time.

  At that time most married couple stayed maried till the end, but i am under the impression that jw probablly have a lower divorce rate, than non jw, the lower divorce rate i think may apply to very religious married couples. If married persons have a "decent" common ground they stay married.