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'Who Wrote the Bible' - terrific book!

by GetBusyLiving in

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i bought the book 'who wrote the bible' by richard friedman.. wow!

this guy is a really respected scholar, not some crackpot-prediction-making jackass.

as a typical jw, i didn't know much about how absurd the idea of moses writing the first five books of the bible really is.

one

GetBusyLiving

I have no idea what you were trying to communicate with your last post, one..

Read the post from Steve and you will find out

I was just trying to get more info or validanton from you such as the reason why you think what you think regarding: "This guy is a really respected scholar, not some crackpot-prediction-making jackass."

AND i was trying to find find out if you know the "human reason" (as you quoted)

To realize that the answer to "Who wrote the Bible?" is, "we really don't know, but we can certainly understand the very human reasons they wrote what they wrote",

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Ciro Aulicino in 2001 speaks about the UN

by tenrats in

let them talk, friends.

so, when you talk to people and they start telling you about this, say, "well we, we lost 14, too.

now how long this is going to stay open we don't know.

one

Seem like Ciro was an apropriate perfect tool utilize by the WT, to obtain its goals, whatever the goal wa (not a libray card), i think in terms of showing and retracting from proven "sedition"

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UN Scandal - does anyone know the reason they joined to start with?

by AK - Jeff in

like most on this board, i know the story, have seen the un press release, ect.

but can someone comment on two questions for me?.

who caught them with their hands in the cookie jar?

one

On page 55 in James Penton's book Apocolypse Delayed he mentions that the WT leaders were convicted of sedition under the American Espionage Act. Seven (including Rutherford) were sentenced to 20 years and one other was sentenced to 10 years.
FairMind

"exonerated", "dropped" or "no guilty"?, there is a differece...

"Sedition the federal crime of advocacy of uprising or overthrow against the government or support for an enemy of the nation during time of war, by speeches, publications and organization."

The WT badmouthing about the usa, other nations and the UN, could be considered sedition under some circunstances, GULF WAR etc

BTw around the 'gulf war was when they became associate to the UN and stopped badmouthing and talking abouth seven headed beasts etc

can you connect the dots... ? the more i think about it the more i beleive the WT wa forced to stop comparing nations and the UN to beast.

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1919 Cleansing

by IP_SEC in

ok, according to the rigcah, patdp, and ipalfam i and ii the jewish restoration prophecy fulfilled in 537 bc has an antitype in 1919 ad when the wt officers were released from prison.

this is obviously a central teaching of the slave.

they say they were exonerated of all the charges that caused them to go to prison, and because of their faith they were accepted as the slave at that time.

one

On page 55 in James Penton's book Apocolypse Delayed he mentions that the WT leaders were convicted of sedition under the American Espionage Act. Seven (including Rutherford) were sentenced to 20 years and one other was sentenced to 10 years.
FairMind

"exonerated", "dropped" or "no guilty"?, there is a differece...

"Sedition the federal crime of advocacy of uprising or overthrow against the government or support for an enemy of the nation during time of war, by speeches, publications and organization."

The WT badmouthing about the usa, other nations and the UN, could be considered sedition under some circunstances, GULF WAR etc

BTw around the 'gulf war was when they became associate to the UN and stopped badmouthing and talking abouth seven headed beasts etc

can you connect the dots... ? the more i think about it the more i beleive the WT wa forced to stop comparing nations and the UN to beast.

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GERALDO RIVERA MAKES ME SICK

by Adams_Rib in

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geraldo rivera makes me sick.

he says that if this were not michael jackson all the reporters would be going....'huh?

this does not make sense.'.

one

He is a descendant of those who lived by the "River" (fishing gold?) , but he still looking for more gold somewhere else, just like any TV actor.

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'Who Wrote the Bible' - terrific book!

by GetBusyLiving in

jw
friends

i bought the book 'who wrote the bible' by richard friedman.. wow!

this guy is a really respected scholar, not some crackpot-prediction-making jackass.

as a typical jw, i didn't know much about how absurd the idea of moses writing the first five books of the bible really is.

one

'Who Wrote the Bible' by Richard Friedman.. wow! This guy is a really respected scholar, not some crackpot-prediction-making jackass.

any reason why you think what you think

was it wirtten at leas 999 years ago, it should have been.wirtten at leas that long ago.

didn't the Catholic church compiled the "bible" the "Canon".

What the WT says about it?

answering the above question would be a great help to readers of this forum, informative.

To realize that the answer to "Who wrote the Bible?" is, "we really don't know, but we can certainly understand the very human reasons they wrote what they wrote",

why they wrote it?

OK guys,
Enough with the 'its great', My ears are up!
Tell us, what's the synopsis!
Steve.

exactly.

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DA-ing Announcement in the Society's New Book

by Mark in

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the society's new book 'organized to do jehovah's will', to be released in the congregations .

on the 20th of march, introduces a change in the df and da announcements.

announcements will read the same: "[name of person] is no longer one of jehovah's .

one

Anyways its all too mind boogling what games the organization is playing.

Just like any entity in trouble run by or advised by trusted lawyers. Besides some at the top of wt may not be lawyers but they "have been around" for a while, they know all the tricks, it was initially expanded by a lawyer (an story itself) and legalism became their corporate culture.

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DA-ing Announcement in the Society's New Book

by Mark in

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friends

the society's new book 'organized to do jehovah's will', to be released in the congregations .

on the 20th of march, introduces a change in the df and da announcements.

announcements will read the same: "[name of person] is no longer one of jehovah's .

one

How can they bring their meeting attendance numbers up? How can they lower their inactive numbers? This is a tool for the local elders to use when they have exhausted other ways of meeting the society's demands, and I can see them using it to save their own positions.

true,

that new "law" will solve a few problems for them simultaneously.

are you going back?

those who go back may now have a dual purpose too

The most dangeours enemies are those who become your "friends", ot showing who they really are... does it sound like counter "theocratic warfare"?

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DA-ing Announcement in the Society's New Book

by Mark in

jw
friends

the society's new book 'organized to do jehovah's will', to be released in the congregations .

on the 20th of march, introduces a change in the df and da announcements.

announcements will read the same: "[name of person] is no longer one of jehovah's .

one

for legal reasons they may be doing away with DF,instead "Jhon Doe no is longer ONE" will prevail, at the same time they can included all those who just faded away to keep contact with jw relatives. Obviously they read this board and feel and experienced that those who fade away are as "dangerous" as DF.something has to be done.

Whats more those do not count as publisher to show in yearly reports, let's kick them completely out.

Due to complaints in courts they may also change their wirtten rules to unwritten rules about how a jw should treat one that is no longer part of the JW religion but who still consider herself a Jehovah's witness.

They don't have to do it as long as they are considered a religion. In they way they treat ex members is not a matter a court has jurisdiction, as long as it is not considered a real crime, a violation of an specific law, at least shunning is not a violation of any law, nor the treatment received by a DF or DA by family members living in the same house (maried).

But i think they do ask "over 21 children, mother in law etc to leave the house if DF...

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Ciro Aulicino in 2001 speaks about the UN

by tenrats in

let them talk, friends.

so, when you talk to people and they start telling you about this, say, "well we, we lost 14, too.

now how long this is going to stay open we don't know.

one

Ciro actually APOLOGIZED to his own congreation over his part is getting the Watchtower into the UN mess.
See the original thread, Public apology from Ciro Aulicino re: UN/WT , at:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/16129/1.ashx
--VM44

have your heard of "scape goats"?, where can i read such apology?, if he did it was a local thing just to show he had repented and not get fully "sacrificed" for "misleading" the WT, the org has to be protected at all cost.

as quioted below in the http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/16129/1.ashx thread it was mentioned that the wt did acknowledged they (the institution) knew, no only Ciro knew.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/16129/1.ashx
Here is a synopsis of what was said:
In 1991 the Society registered with the Department of Public
Information of the United Nations as a nongovernmental organization
(NGO).
However, the latest version of the Criteria for Association of NGOs
contained language that the Society cannot subscribe to.

Although we had been using the library for many years before
1991, in that year it became necessary to register as an NGO to have
continued access.

neccessary?

"register" and "associate" is not the same thing, they were associated agreed to help the UN