Posts by Balaamsass

68

Anonymous v. Silentlambs... things are starting to get ugly

by cedars in

jw
friends

bowen fights back.... .

http://www.silentlambs.org/trustsilentlambs.htm.

cedars.

Balaamsass

Publicity is good.

Remember Advertise, Advertise, Advertise!!!!!!!!

24

Just yelled at my mom today

by trujw in

sorry to post this but for some reason after a year of not talking i got drunk this morning(yeah i know no lecture) and called my mom and blew up.

i tolded her she was a false prophet and a horriable christian mother who never even came to her grandson's birth by my wife.

my words came out like a river of rage from which i never knew.

Balaamsass

trujw,

You asked your mom a very simple but profound question: "when in the last 130 years has the Watchtower predicted anything correctly".....

I asked the wife this question...she answered me:" twice".

"If you go to College, or read apostate sites you will quit"

Have a great day

22

NOT on JW.org: AZ Jehovah's Witness elder arrested for strip poker with 14 year old.(2010)

by Balaamsass in

former jehovah's witness preacher arrested for playing strip poker with 14-year-old boy -- get all the grody details right hereby james kingthu., nov. 4 2010 at 2:39 pm82 commentscategories: holier than who?david nelson ?strip poker can be a fun party game when played by visually -- and age -- appropriate gamblers.

it's a problem, however, when one of those playing is a preacher -- it's an even bigger problem when the only other player is a 14-year-old boy.. .

the former preacher at a jehovah's witness church in phoenix was arrested last night for allegedly playing strip poker -- and doing a lot of other sick stuff -- with a 14-year-old boy more than 30 years ago.. .

Balaamsass

Thanks BOC! Since I stopped attending the Sunday Watchtower Study I have this overwhelming desire to underline something in yellow highlighter Sunday mornings with my coffee!

4

Not on JW.ORG. Nancy Garrido's background as a Jehovah's Witness. Arrest for Rape, Murder, Kidnapping. Multiple murders now?

by Balaamsass in

is this the new rose west?

it is beyond belief nancy garrido didn't know what was going on.

by geoffrey wansell.

Balaamsass

Is this the new Rose West? It is beyond belief Nancy Garrido didn't know what was going on

By Geoffrey Wansell
UPDATED: 12:43 EST, 31 August 2009

The face of 55-year-old Nancy Garrido will come to haunt the world.

Day after day her sunken eyes behind those round glasses will stare out at us - much as the mugshots of Rosemary West and Myra Hindley did - as a haunting reminder that women are as capable as men of appalling depravities.

On Saturday, Californian prosecutors claimed she played an 'equal role' with her husband in their crimes, and charged her directly with kidnapping the blonde Jaycee Lee Dugard 'for sexual purposes'.

Nancy Garrido

Participant: Nancy Garrido is facing more charges than her husband for the abduction and systematic abused suffered by Jaycee Lee Dugard

They also accused her of 'forcible rape', 'committing a forcible lewd act upon a child' and 'false imprisonment by violence'. She faces no fewer than 16 charges - three MORE than her husband.

As the case unfolds, the world will ask how this apparently ordinary Californian woman - who never had children of her own - could have participated in the enforced subjugation of Jaycee.

More...

Some will say that a woman couldn't have willingly committed such terrible crimes, that her husband must have forced her.

But as the official biographer of the late serial killer Frederick West, I am utterly convinced that Garrido, like Rosemary, not only knew what her husband was doing but was an active participant in the depraved abduction of Jaycee.

Indeed as the investigation expands, she might also face charges associated with the murder of 15-year-old schoolgirl Lisa Norrell and three prostitutes, Valerie Schultz, 27, Rachael Cruise, 32, and Jessica Frederick, 24 - all of whom died in the last two months of 1988.

Phillip Garrido Nancy Garrido.

Manipulated: While her husband Phillip may have exercised control over Nancy any abuse she took part in, she did willingly

Police have already declared Phillip Garrido 'a person of interest' for those crimes and it seems highly probable that Nancy, too, will be investigated for her possible complicity.

When Nancy Garrido stands trial, however, there is little doubt that her lawyer Gilbert Maines will try to convince the jury that she was an ignorant bystander.

Maines might also argue that Nancy Garrido knew nothing of the prison in her back garden.

That was exactly what Rosemary West's defence counsel, the late Richard Ferguson QC, attempted to do at her 1995 trial. The ploy failed.

The jury decided that the semi-detached house occupied by Rosemary and her husband was simply too small for Fred to have kept his crimes secret. Rose WAS an active participant.

Comparisons with the Garrido-case are all too obvious. It is simply beyond belief that Nancy could not have known what was taking place in her own back yard.

But why does a woman take part in such depravity? Details of Nancy's life story are still sketchy, but from the scraps of information which have already come to light, a sinister pattern is taking shape.

Psychologists suggest that a woman such as this, who fell for a convicted sex offender and then married him in jail, is subconsciously putting herself into his hands for abuse.

Fred and Rosemary West

Merciless killers: Fred and Rosemary West

Seeing him as glamorous, and worldly, she would do anything he asked, even though - it is reported - he rarely had sex with her.

Nancy Garrido, like Rosemary West, might also come from an abusive family herself. It is significant that so far we have heard nothing from her parents or relatives - unusual in a high profile case such as this.

What we do know is that Nancy seems to have been raised as a Jehovah's Witness. She met Garrido - who was then serving 50 years for the rape and abduction of a 25-year-old casino waitress in Reno, Nevada in 1977 - while visiting an uncle who was also a prisoner at Levenworth prison in Kansas.

Psychologists think that Nancy, naive, impressionable and sexually inexperienced, would have been impressed, sexualised and then overpowered by Garrido's stories of sexual brutality.

Meanwhile, she served an added purpose for Garrido - she was proof to the prison authorities that he was reformed.

The fact that they married behind bars in 1988, and he was released shortly afterwards, proves how valuable she was. She gave him what seemed like a family life, and, by implication, proved that he would not offend again.

Garrido took Nancy back to his mother Patricia's house in Antioch - Patricia was separated from Garrido's-father, Manuel.

Nancy Garrido

Innocent bystander? Nancy's lawyer Gilbert Maines may try to persuade a jury she was ignorant of her husband's crimes

The manipulative, shrewd Garrido would then have brought both women steadily under his spell - his mother would have become ever more dependent as she descended into dementia.

And it could well be that Nancy's religious upbringing as a Jehovah's Witness provided her new husband with another means of manipulating her - telling her, as he was to tell the world, that God spoke directly to him.

Religion would be a powerful tool in the hands of a man who wanted nothing more than to manipulate - and ultimately humiliate - any woman with whom he had a relationship.

I am certain that Nancy Garrido, like Rosemary West, was groomed and manipulated by her violent husband. But that does not make either woman innocent - they did what they did willingly.

I certainly wouldn't be surprised to hear that Nancy helped her husband rape Jaycee Lee Dugard. Rosemary West did precisely that with her stepdaughter Anne-Marie, just as she did with her own daughters thereafter. Fred insisted he had to 'break them in' for sex, as early as the age of eight - and Rosemary went along with it.

The 'alternative universe' that Nancy's husband had created for her behind their tumbledown shack in Antioch had become the only world she knew - her reality. In that distorted reality, her treatment of Jaycee was normal.

Geoffrey Wansell is author of An Evil Love: The Life of Frederick West

7

Not on JW.ORG: Ken Lanning, FBI Profiler "Molesters commonly turn to Religion to rationalize their behaivior". Re: Phillip Garrido story.

by Balaamsass in

sex offender phillip garrido's twisted path often led to godpublished september 12, 2009. ap.

san francisco three decades ago, a convicted kidnapper named phillip garrido stunned a leavenworth prison psychologist by turning down an offer most prisoners would leap to take help with a transfer to a mental health facility.. instead, garrido opted to spend at least three more years doing hard time so he could complete his religious studies.. along his twisted trail of drugs and sexual violence, records and interviews show that garrido invoked god at every turn before he was arrested aug. 26 and accused of kidnapping, raping and imprisoning jaycee dugard for 18 years in his backyard.. photos: missing girl found 18 years later.

again and again, he claimed he had found god.

Balaamsass

Sex Offender Phillip Garrido's Twisted Path Often Led to God

Published September 12, 2009

AP

SAN FRANCISCO – Three decades ago, a convicted kidnapper named Phillip Garrido stunned a Leavenworth Prison psychologist by turning down an offer most prisoners would leap to take — help with a transfer to a mental health facility.

Instead, Garrido opted to spend at least three more years doing hard time so he could complete his religious studies.

Along his twisted trail of drugs and sexual violence, records and interviews show that Garrido invoked God at every turn before he was arrested Aug. 26 and accused of kidnapping, raping and imprisoning Jaycee Dugard for 18 years in his backyard.

PHOTOS: Missing Girl Found 18 Years Later

Again and again, he claimed he had found God. To a woman he had abducted and was about to rape. To the judge who sentenced him to 50 years behind bars for the crime. And later, to business clients and neighbors in Antioch, Calif.

In the end, his increasingly bizarre religious fervor took on a desperate, prophetic quality and led to his capture after he tried to hold a rally on a college campus.

Molesters commonly turn to religion to rationalize their behavior, said Ken Lanning, a former FBI profiler who specializes in kidnapping and child abuse cases.

"A lot of them when they're molesting children put a lot of time and energy into trying to convince themselves that they're not bad people," Lanning said. "In some cases the element of religion will come into it, and they will use varying aspects of their religious belief to justify all of this."

The 58-year-old Garrido's preoccupation with religion started shortly after he began taking large quantities of LSD, cocaine and other drugs in the early 1970s.

Garrido, who worked odd jobs and played bass guitar in a band, told a casino worker in 1976 that his car had broken down and convinced her to give him a ride. He soon had her gagged and handcuffed, then took her to a storage unit decked out like a sex palace, where he sexually assaulted her for five hours.

After she was rescued, she told police that Garrido preached about God to her while she was handcuffed in the back seat.

"He talked a lot about Jesus on our ride, telling me about how he was going to turn himself over to God next year because Jesus was the way, and on and on," she said.

He testified on February 11, 1977, that he truly found God while sitting in a Reno jail waiting for his federal kidnapping trial to start. "I believed in God for the last three years, but it was just the last three months that I have been brought to God," Garrido said.

Later, in a note seeking a reduction in his 50-year sentence, Garrido vowed that he had become devoutly religious.

"He based his new religious interests more appropriately on the considerable guilt and fear he was experiencing since being incarcerated," a court-appointed psychiatrist concluded in a mental health report to the judge.

During his first year in prison in Leavenworth, Kan., Garrido told prison psychologist J.B. Kielbauch he did not want to be "released from incarceration to a program of psychological treatment" because of religion.

"Interestingly, Mr. Garrido asked that he be permitted another three years of incarceration in lieu of that so he could complete his current program of training and religious development," Kielbauch wrote.

Kielbauch's 1978 mental evaluation also said Garrido had become a "very absorbed" Jehovah's Witness practitioner. "When he commits to a cause or purpose," the psychologist wrote, "he tends to approach it with extreme zeal and diligence."

"Prognosis for successful transition to the community is considered very good," Kielbauch wrote. "The likelihood of further extralegal behaviors on Mr. Garrido's part is seen as minimal."

Garrido ended up spending 10 years in federal prison. Three years after his release he and his wife Nancy allegedly kidnapped Dugard, then 11, from a South Lake Tahoe street, raped her and held her captive in a backyard jumble of tents and sheds. During that time, authorities say Garrido fathered two daughters with Dugard.

Garrido and his wife have pleaded not guilty to kidnapping, rape and false imprisonment charges.

In recent years, Garrido had established a small printing business and had become consumed by his religious fixations. In July 2008, he incorporated a religious organization called God's Desire and invited others to come to church at his home.

His clients could make little sense of Garrido's ramblings and said they put up with him because his prices were low.

But Garrido did make clear he believed he had a direct line to the divine. He brought a device to client meetings through which he said others could hear the "unearthly" voices he channelled through his mind.

"He said God spoke to him and told him how to invent the machine," said Cheyvonne Molino, who co-owns a Pittsburg wrecking yard where Garrido advertised he would hold a weeklong religious event in July.

Molino said that in reality Garrido sat under a 10-foot by 10-foot tent, handed out water and sang songs. She said his apparatus was merely a DJ mixing board, an amplifier and a microphone into which Garrido would whisper nonsense.

Garrido's religion had morphed from traditional Christian beliefs to a nearly indecipherable dogma that placed Garrido as a prophet who held the keys to a deep secret.

Days before his arrest, Garrido approached the FBI and University of California, Berkeley with a lengthy document preaching his strongly held religious and self-help beliefs. His bizarre behavior at UC Berkeley attracted the attention of campus police, leading to his arrest.

In his writings, Garrido repeats that he has discovered a way to overcome the thoughts that lead to abhorrent behavior. He writes in one tract that some people who engage in "aggressive sexual behavior" hate their actions and try to stop.

"Unfortunately the next time they become aroused, it stimulates the mind to override all possible regrets, returning them to a helplessness of becoming a repeat offender," he said

24

HELP!!! Need Contacts in Portland-Gresham Oregon

by Juan Viejo2 in

a very special request for help - not money - just information!!!.

i normally would not ask this kind of a favor, but this really is important.. i am working with portland area investigators and journalists who are doing research on the whitney heichel /jonathan holt murder case and one other case involving other serious criminal activity.

they are particularly interested in anyone who might have attended kingdom halls in or around gresham and might know some of the members, former jws, or other related contacts in that area.. if you are from that area, or have connections there, please contact me via pm.

Balaamsass

Thanks for staying on this Juan!

26

Hi everybody!

by Pickler in

jw
friends

hi everybody.. well, i've been lurking for a few weeks & have made a few posts, so it's time to bravely introduce myself some more.... i was raised in the religion, baptized & then df'd in 1992. i live in sydney and youll be pleased to hear i have survived armageddon (also known as the hottest day on record for sydney 45.6c).. ive never looked at any witness related stuff online, but my son showed me something about the conti case and i was so intrigued!!!!

following links led me to this & other websites..... since then i have spent literally hours on the internet discovering all this information.

so many late nights/early mornings.

Balaamsass

WELCOME!

22

NOT on JW.org: AZ Jehovah's Witness elder arrested for strip poker with 14 year old.(2010)

by Balaamsass in

former jehovah's witness preacher arrested for playing strip poker with 14-year-old boy -- get all the grody details right hereby james kingthu., nov. 4 2010 at 2:39 pm82 commentscategories: holier than who?david nelson ?strip poker can be a fun party game when played by visually -- and age -- appropriate gamblers.

it's a problem, however, when one of those playing is a preacher -- it's an even bigger problem when the only other player is a 14-year-old boy.. .

the former preacher at a jehovah's witness church in phoenix was arrested last night for allegedly playing strip poker -- and doing a lot of other sick stuff -- with a 14-year-old boy more than 30 years ago.. .

Balaamsass

So much for "HOLY SPIRIT" appointing and directing the Elders and keeping the congregation clean........

Who got the guy arrested? Not the "spirit directed" slave.........

15

NOT on JW.org; Two Jehovah's Witnesses arrested for murdering 13. Dailey Mail story

by Balaamsass in

two jehovah's witnesses 'murdered 13 people on mission from god to cleanse world of sinners'.

by will stewart.

updated: 07:43 est, 25 september 2008 .

Balaamsass

The above article showed on on a google search for "Jehovah's witnesses arrested"....variations of it were in 3 newspapers. None of the papers said anything to dispute the "JW status", and of course JW.org does not even mention it.

The story has some of the elements of the Philip and Nancy Garrido case (Stacy Dugard abduction). For many years WTBTS has encouraged elders to "witness" to prisoners and others of dubious mental health. Sometimes this leads to tragic results.

When one combines the devout mentally ill with comments about "Apostates worthy of death" .....you can imagine the potential for problems. Is it possible this case started the ball rolling in Russia about "Hate" crimes and JWs?

15

NOT on JW.org; Two Jehovah's Witnesses arrested for murdering 13. Dailey Mail story

by Balaamsass in

two jehovah's witnesses 'murdered 13 people on mission from god to cleanse world of sinners'.

by will stewart.

updated: 07:43 est, 25 september 2008 .

Balaamsass

Two Jehovah's Witnesses 'murdered 13 people on mission from God to cleanse world of sinners'

By Will Stewart
UPDATED: 07:43 EST, 25 September 2008

When the pair were arrested, Egorycheva was armed with two axes

When the pair were arrested, Egorycheva was armed with two axes (file photo)

Two twisted Jehovah's Witnesses have been arrested as suspected serial killers, accused of murdering 13 people during a nine-month killing spree in Russia.

Claiming to be on a mission from God, Vladimir Gurianov, 44, and Elvira Egorycheva 46, hacked, shot and bludgeoned their victims in a case that left even hardened Russian detectives shocked.

The pair were finally spotted in a supermarket in a suburb of the city and arrested. By then they were on nationwide search lists and their photographs had been widely circulated in the region.

When they were searched Egorycheva had a revolver, two axes, an electric-shock device and a rope in her belongings.

Another gun and a knife were found in Gurianov's jacket.

Gurianov - who locals said had 'mad eyes' - and Egorycheva first met at a Jehovah's Witnesses sect meeting 16 years ago.

When they were reunited late last year, Egorycheva allegedly told him she had a vision and they must travel to the Volga region to carry out God's wishes.

She said: "God wants us to go to Nizhniy Novgorod and cleanse the world of sinners".

A neighbour said: "They were very odd. He called her "mother" or "Princess Elena". She called him "my son, Prince Mikhail".

"Gurianov used to say they had a certain mission. No-one took them very seriously but then the killings began."

The first victim was a fortune teller Ludmila Kostina, 51, with whom they made an appointment after seeing her advert in a local papers.

A day after the first murder they went to another fortune-teller, Nina Mashtakova, 66, who they killed before stealing valuables.

One victim was killed around January 10, when Gurianov answered an advert advertising Pekingese puppies.

A 17-year-old boy, returning home, found Gurianov killing his mother, who only managed to scream: "Run, boy!"

Gurianov later boasted to detectives about one particularly brutal slaying.

He said: "I shot at the head of this woman, but she was still alive. I shot her a second time and she fell down, but just as I was digging a grave for her I realised she was still alive and just watching me. So you'll understand I had to stab her."

Also in January this year, Gurianov, a convicted rapist, and Egorycheva met a 17 year-old girl by the garage complex in the city's outskirts.

Police believe the couple stopped the girl, and Egorycheva told her: "Stop, sinner! I, Princess Elena, and my son Prince Mikhail, have been sent by God to punish you!"

Gurianov then allegedly raped the girl, killed her with a hammer and buried her next to the garage complex.

He later told investigators: "Mother explained to me that every woman killed or raped by me would become my wives in the afterlife."

They are also suspected of killing 18 year-old student Masha Maslennikova, missing since May, whose body has not been found, as well as Ludmila Kotelnikova, 45, and Elena Lomteva, 37, whose corpses were found near their holiday homes.

One detective said: "Apparently, they didn't care who became their next victim, whether it was a woman, a young girl or a child. Their only criterion was to carry out the killing in remote parts of the city where no one could help the victims."

Later police asked the pair why they killed innocent people.

Gurianov, clearly enjoying recounting his deeds, replied: "God told us to go and take the money. He said: 'Go there and take as much as you need.' So we did".

One shocked detective said: "Our hearts are bleeding.

"They seem to enjoy talking about the things they have done. They feel safe as well. What is prison to them? Even if they are sentenced to life, they'll live until old age.If ever there was a case for capital punishment, this is it."