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  WTBTS membership count prediction

  by Skimmer in

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  some thoughts on statistical projections of the wtbts membership count:.

  1) extrapolation (projection beyond known statistics) is hazardous for any measurement that does not derive from a simple model.

  an accurate model of the wtbts membership count would have to include demographics for each of the countries, and this would have to combine population age distribution data, educational attainment data, economic data, current wtbts coverage, and (of course!

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  There are also many leaving the organization.
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  a woman's right to choose.....

  by peaceloveharmony in

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  hey everyone, i was hesitant to post this article i read because abortion debates can turn so ugly so fast.

  so i thought about it for and decided i should post it because it is important for those of us who value the right the choose to be aware of what that really means here in the us.

  this article is from the weekly alternative newspaper here in the minneapolis/st.

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  Why not push for more sex education and responsible sex and less abortion on demand, which only encourages more irresponsible sex in society.

  It seems that we all want this..........
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  a woman's right to choose.....

  by peaceloveharmony in

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  hey everyone, i was hesitant to post this article i read because abortion debates can turn so ugly so fast.

  so i thought about it for and decided i should post it because it is important for those of us who value the right the choose to be aware of what that really means here in the us.

  this article is from the weekly alternative newspaper here in the minneapolis/st.

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  I totally agree with bigboi that better and more sex education will help. Availability of birth control for young people is certainly a key to lower the number of abortions. How come anti-abortionists are so often opposed to this, too? Obviously their agenda is to push their archaic idea that premarital sex is a sin at any price, no matter what the cost is in human suffering.

  I also totally agree with this statement. I have never said what my position is, or what my solution to the problem is.

  You want to institute laws saying that a man can legally control the body of a woman.

  Where did I say anything about making laws? I have no desire to institute laws regarding the control over anyones body, man or woman. I think that more laws is exactly what the abortion issue does not need. I believe a good start is with sex education. I disagree with making abortion illegal. is that going to solve the problen? No. It only compounds it. You will have women giving the procedure to themselves....not good. You will have illegal abortion clinics that will not be controlled by government health regulations....not good. These just lead to more pain for the woman. I appologize for my emotional pleas. I was in the scenario I listed above. Altough I was not married. This subject hits close to home. I do have experience to voice my opinion on this topic. But the same as everyone else, it is just an opinion. No matter how much we try to rationalize this topic, it is still very emotional for all involved.

  Do I think abortion should be legal........yes
  Do I think the final decision should reside with the woman.....yes
  Do I agree with abortion......no
  Do I feel we should have birth control readily available in schools...yes

  What could help this situation then...stronger marriages, more sex education, more abortion counseling, and lots of love.

  JanH....I have alot of respect for your viewpoint. I always enjoy reading your posts. If I have missed any responses to your arguments, please repost, and I will respond to them.
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  a woman's right to choose.....

  by peaceloveharmony in

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  hey everyone, i was hesitant to post this article i read because abortion debates can turn so ugly so fast.

  so i thought about it for and decided i should post it because it is important for those of us who value the right the choose to be aware of what that really means here in the us.

  this article is from the weekly alternative newspaper here in the minneapolis/st.

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  "Of what one cannot speak, one must be silent." as Wittgenstein almost put it.

  Do you have experience then?

  What if you and your wife decided to have a child. She became pregnant. It was understood that both of you desired this. Remember, you are married to this woman. A bond until death. Her health is fine, but two months down the road she decides she doesn't want a child right now. Much to your opposition, she goes, while you are at work, and has an abortion. You don't feel you should have any say in this? Two people were involved in the decision to produce the child. Two people were involved in producing the child. Legally, two people would be responsible for the child, if born, for the next 17-18 years. Why then should one person (in this scenario) have the right to terminate the life of the child?
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  a woman's right to choose.....

  by peaceloveharmony in

  1. jw
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  hey everyone, i was hesitant to post this article i read because abortion debates can turn so ugly so fast.

  so i thought about it for and decided i should post it because it is important for those of us who value the right the choose to be aware of what that really means here in the us.

  this article is from the weekly alternative newspaper here in the minneapolis/st.

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  So, you essentially say that a man has a right to use an unwilling woman's body to spread his own genes?

  That wasn't my point.

  If a woman has consentual sexual relations with a man, with the understanding that a child may come out of their acts, shouldn't that man have a say in all decisions regarding the child he was half involved in creating?
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  Proof Please!

  by Francois in

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  the other day someone made a reference to "mountainous" proof of the existence of an historical jesus.. refusing to suffer fools gladly, the poster was challenged to produce this "mountain" and i haven't heard a peep of it - not that i'm surprised.

  a bb friend with whom i carry on a regular private correspondence reminded me of this challenge, and i was wondering if the "mountain" or even a hillock is ever going to be forthcoming?

  come on rex, where is it?.

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  Still, some scholars reason that the apostles did experience SOMETHING out of the ordinary, their lives were changed by what they experienced, and all but one died for that belief.

  Again......same question.......what scholars?
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  a woman's right to choose.....

  by peaceloveharmony in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hey everyone, i was hesitant to post this article i read because abortion debates can turn so ugly so fast.

  so i thought about it for and decided i should post it because it is important for those of us who value the right the choose to be aware of what that really means here in the us.

  this article is from the weekly alternative newspaper here in the minneapolis/st.

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  open_mind

  Have any of you ever been involved directy with an abortion? I know it is personal, but it seems so many of you have strong convictions on this subject. If you feel so strongly, I was wondering if you have any personal experience to back up your claims.
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  a woman's right to choose.....

  by peaceloveharmony in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hey everyone, i was hesitant to post this article i read because abortion debates can turn so ugly so fast.

  so i thought about it for and decided i should post it because it is important for those of us who value the right the choose to be aware of what that really means here in the us.

  this article is from the weekly alternative newspaper here in the minneapolis/st.

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  I don't really feel up to it right now, so I won't share all of my personal thoughts on abortion (too much pain). I will share soon though. My only thing right now is, what about the man. If a woman has consentual sexual relations with a man, with the understanding that a child may come out of their acts, shouldnt that man have a say in all decisions regarding the child he was half involved in creating?

  Think carefully, your opinion may be different if this was your child we are talking about.
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  WTBTS membership count prediction

  by Skimmer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  some thoughts on statistical projections of the wtbts membership count:.

  1) extrapolation (projection beyond known statistics) is hazardous for any measurement that does not derive from a simple model.

  an accurate model of the wtbts membership count would have to include demographics for each of the countries, and this would have to combine population age distribution data, educational attainment data, economic data, current wtbts coverage, and (of course!

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  Does anyone know the stats of people who left who were born into JW life against those who left and weren't always JW's? I was always curious about those stats. Also, it seems that the WT must lie about their enrollment numbers in their yearbooks. Is this true? If it is, is there any way to refute their numbers?
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  I am new here!!!

  by Sarah in

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  i have been reading post after post since january, (when my husband and i quit going to the meetings), just now getting up the nerve to say anything.

  you people scare me!!!

  there are some intense messages on here.

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  open_mind

  Welcome to the board.

  I am curious as to what article your brother had you read.