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  My kid wants a B-day party

  by openminded in

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  but my wife is a hard core jw.

  should we just sneak away to chuck-e cheese or what?

  he is 5.

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  I don't necessarily have to make a big production out of it. Maybe just a couple of his buddies and a trip to the go-cart track and a gift(wrapped) to make him feel special and normal.-thats all I want

  Is it a b-day without cake? Im new to this.
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  My kid wants a B-day party

  by openminded in

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  but my wife is a hard core jw.

  should we just sneak away to chuck-e cheese or what?

  he is 5.

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  Im leanin in that direction.
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  My kid wants a B-day party

  by openminded in

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  but my wife is a hard core jw.

  should we just sneak away to chuck-e cheese or what?

  he is 5.

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  But my wife is a hard core JW. Should we just sneak away to Chuck-e Cheese or what? He is 5.
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  Why so much DEFICIT?

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  when i sit at a ca and the bro comes out and reads the financial report it is alwasy in the red (deficit).

  then i ask myself: "if we own this building, the parking area, and there is no food being served; how in the world can we have a deficit?

  " typically, the deficit is in the range of $5000 and $7000.

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  Its called fuzzy math. They always show a deficit to make people give more. Its an old trick.
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  Questions about the WTS and the UN

  by Leander in

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  i just learned about the society's connection with the un and i'm shocked.

  i had been experiencing doubts before but this new information is like a slap in the face.

  before i begin with the questions i should probably start with a introduction.. i'm a 29 year old married man serving as a minsterial servant in the south suburbs of chicago.

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  We are in the same boat Leander. we are close in age. Only I have a young son to consider. The whole situation is lose/lose. Trying to convince the spouse has been a waste of time for me. She is completly closed off to reason. Sad x 10
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  JW Response to NGO/UN info

  by Andrew Farrell in

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  following is the response of a jw to the information regarding the un/ngo status of the watchtower society.

  it seems not all will see with clarity the hypocritical position of the organisation in this matter:.

  andrew,.

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  This is his response -is my word *is his response

  -can you show me the verse where Paul signs an agreement to support the beast, and devote a portion of his letters to promote the beast's agenda?? It escapes me at the moment. I think it must be in one of the epistles.

  *Sarcasm as a ploy. Just how stupid do you want our discussions to become? The point I was trying to make is that Paul had to interface with political organizations to further the spread of the good news. The purpose? 2 Tim 2:1-3 helps us see the motive of the WTS in interfacing with the UN or any other national government:

  2 Tim 2:1-3 I therefore exhort, first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions, offerings of thanks, be made concerning all sorts of men, 2 concerning kings and all those who are in high station; in order that we may go on leading a calm and quiet life with full godly devotion and seriousness. 3 This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God,

  Paul's interfacing with political leaders was for this specific purpose. It was not to control or guide the political entity or to support their efforts in any manner. Ditto with the WTS. We do not go to war or get involved in political agendas or take over governments or picket or attack or terrorize. Get a grip and look at what is truly going on, if you can. I now doubt that you can be objective.

  -Your comparison to what Paul was doing is an insult to his work.

  *Hardly for all that Paul did, even interfacing with political leaders, was to further the good news. Has the WTS not done the same? You seem to agree in the following statement.
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  concede the argument that the society is registered with the U.N. to protect the interests of it's preaching activity.

  *Well, if you concede this then why bring the topic up in the first place and why do you try to paint a distorted picture of the WTS' activity related to the UN? Do you really have information to show their conduct is improper or is this just another method used to discredit them in your own mind?

  -But that does not negate the fact that the society is proactively seeking out the

  -protection of the U.N., the very organization they condemn. The very organization that has been identified as being in direct opposition to God's kingdom. It seems to me that God is not able to, or willing to provide such protection for the WTS. Just as he does not provide it for the rest of "harlot"(who you saw on the list) that is riding on the back of the disgusting thing.

  *Paul appealed to Caesar didn't he? It wasn't proactive in that he did not register with Caesar in advance. But did the WTS do so in advance or only when they needed to act? Caesar was the ruler of the world power of the time, wasn't he? Does the fact that Paul appealed to that world power negate his purpose or respectability? Hardly.

  Did you glean that they are registered with the US as a nonpolitical organization? What does that tell you? Does the fact they are interested in human rights give you a clue? Did it ever occur to you that the WTS may have to be registered with the UN to appeal to the International Court of Justice? They plead cases on behalf of the brothers at that court. One instance was on the behalf of the brothers in Greece. Did you glean from your review of Paul's case that he appealed to the authority over matters of law? Appealing to laws of a land facilitate our peaceful worship and preaching.

  So is there really a problem, except the one in your mind? Isn't it a fact that you do not know what the activities of the WTS have been in relation to the UN? Are you positive their motives are impure and that they are acting in an unscriptural manner or are you simply assuming or more accurately presuming their motives are not pure. Did you bother to collect the facts before spewing accusations?

  Your close association with the WTS has not proven anything to you about their conduct or motives has it? You had rather subscribe to the distorted views of apostates. Where is the sensibility of your heart? If you would analyze the conduct of the WTS in context and objectively, something you seem incapable of doing at this time, you would get a much better picture of them and their activities. They have a worldwide reputation you simply deny. To what ends? Are your motives truly pure or do you have some hidden agenda?

  -Religion is a snare and a racket"
  The WTS is lying to the U.N. or to its own members; which is it?

  *Provide written proof of this or be quiet. You asked why it was unwise to listen to apostates. You just provided the reasons for me. Did you catch it? Distortions, fabrications and lies are what they foment. You are following blindly in their path. Where is objectivity? Where is truth? Where is the love, joy, peace, kindness, goodness, mildness, long suffering, faith and self control? Are they present in you or lacking? I know which, but do you? Review the works of the flesh at Gal 5:20.

  You ramble on making a case against the WTS without evidence and for what purpose? Are they really wrong or do you just want them to be? Are they following what the Bible says? Yes, I know they do, but the question is why can't you see it? There is a very good reason why you cannot see the truth. Do you know what it is? 2 Cor 4:3-4 will give you a hint.
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  JW Response to NGO/UN info

  by Andrew Farrell in

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  following is the response of a jw to the information regarding the un/ngo status of the watchtower society.

  it seems not all will see with clarity the hypocritical position of the organisation in this matter:.

  andrew,.

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  This was my reply:

  canou show me the verse where Paul signs an agreement to support the beast, and devote a portion of his letters to promote the beast's agenda?? It escapes me at the moment. I think it must be in one of the epistles. Your comparison to what Paul was doing is an insult to his work. I will actually concede the argument that the society is registered with the U.N. to protect the interests of it's preaching activity. But that does not negate the fact that the society is proactively seeking out the protection of the U.N., the very organization they condemn. The very organization that has been identified as being in direct opposition to God's kingdom. It seems to me that God is not able to, or willing to provide such protection for the WTS. Just as he does not provide it for the rest of "harlot"(who you saw on the list) that is riding on the back of the disgusting thing.
  
  "Religion is a snare and a racket"
  
  The WTS is lying to the U.N. or to its own members; which is it?
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  JW Response to NGO/UN info

  by Andrew Farrell in

  1. jw
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  following is the response of a jw to the information regarding the un/ngo status of the watchtower society.

  it seems not all will see with clarity the hypocritical position of the organisation in this matter:.

  andrew,.

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  openminded

  This is a response I got about it from a long time witness. Any comment???

  On the UN
  Jws are trying to gain recognition for their religion world wide so that JWs can live in peace and carry out the assignment Jesus gave. They have used the international court to resolve issues in Greece, Russia, et al. They also worked with the US government to the same ends. They are also currently working with the French government to resolve the opposition there. But are they involved in politics or legally establishing the good news? Paul also spoke to kings and even appealed to Caesar. Did that put him in bed with the disgusting thing.

  Okay I looked at the UN site and what did I find? They are listed along with about every religion and charitable organization in the world. And what were the issues they were involved with? Human rights. Was Paul involved in this issue? Phil 1:7 says " It is altogether right for me to think this regarding all of YOU, on account of my having YOU in my heart, all of YOU being sharers with me in the undeserved kindness, both in my [prison] bonds and in the defending and legally establishing of the good news." If Paul could do this when what is wrong with the WTS pursuing this at the UN level?
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  Was the F & D always a "class"?

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  i need you guys to point me toward any proof that the wts used to beleive that the f & d was russel himself and not a group of chosen ones.

  thanks in advance -om

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  I am curious to the evidence brought forth by Russel's wife that he was a crook(where is it). What were the suits that she brought against Russel?
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  Was the F & D always a "class"?

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  i need you guys to point me toward any proof that the wts used to beleive that the f & d was russel himself and not a group of chosen ones.

  thanks in advance -om

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  To Alan F

  I wish I could DO something more than just say thanks. Let me know if you ever need a favor. I check this site daily. -OM

  Excellent Work