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  Why do Jehovah's Witnesses always answer questions through the bible?

  by MarieChii in

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  hi.. recently i've been researching jehovah's witnesses and their beliefs and found out that they don't believe in blood transfusions.

  so, i've asked one of my friends who is a jw as to what is the reason for this, and so far, they had always directed me to a bible verse that is in their bible.. clearly, i wasn't getting anywhere and so far, it's pretty much frustrating to even make my friend give me reasonable reason.

  when i was getting somewhere, even a smidgen, they would answer with a question.

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  In the JW mindset, the Bible is God’s word, and therefore the ultimate proof and trumps all other forms of evidence, no matter how concrete.

  In truth, their basis for reality is the Watchtower interpretation of a few dozen verse which are nearly always presented out of context. There is no true exegesis. If the Bible itself contradicts Watchtower interpretation, their interpretation always wins.

  Interpretation of the Bible is decided by the Governing Body. It takes a two thirds majority to change any teaching. If a JW disagrees they can find themselves in a secret backroom trial called a judicial committee, and they could be disfellowshipped for apostasy or “sowing divisions” and find themselves shunned by their family and friends.

  JWs have absolute trust in the Governing Body and their representatives.

  Even though they are not infallible, the mythos is they are “spirit directed”. Even if they get some things wrong occasionally, they’ve are viewed with the best of intentions. And besides God and Jesus chose them. If God and Jesus trust me…so should we!
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  What is CT Russell's motive?

  by sinboi in

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  2. beliefs

  what is russell's motive when he started examining the bible with a group of bible students?

  did he intend to form a cult and to mislead others?

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  Russell seemed to start out sincere, although very mistaken and deluded, but by no means an authoritarian. But I think success went to his head and he gradually became corrupt.

  By the turn of the century, he was mired in all sorts of scandals and shady business dealings. Miracle Wheat, the Solon Society, his separation and divorce from Maria (as well as what this revealed of his harsh treatment of her), his efforts to transfer his assets to Watchtower to avoid paying anything to Maria...whatever happened between himself and 25-year-old Rose Ball and his deception regarding this…and all this just scratches the surface.
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  What is CT Russell's motive?

  by sinboi in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is russell's motive when he started examining the bible with a group of bible students?

  did he intend to form a cult and to mislead others?

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  It is straight from the Watchtower article about his death.

  Here are a few places this forum discussed it:

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/75320/charles-taze-russell-his-roman-toga

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/58055/bring-me-toga

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/23129/please-wrap-me-roman-toga
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  What is CT Russell's motive?

  by sinboi in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is russell's motive when he started examining the bible with a group of bible students?

  did he intend to form a cult and to mislead others?

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  Londo111

  It started in 1870 where Russell attended a presentation by Jonas Wendell, who had been a Millerite.

  In 1872, Russell met George Stetson at a church where he pastored. George Stetson was part of the Advent Christian Church (and had worked with George Storrs, another Adventists that was influential on Russell). Russell’s bond with George Stetson was great enough that he actually conducted George Stetson’s funeral.

  Then in 1876, Russell read one of Nelson Barbour's magazines Herald of the Morning that talked about 1874 being the invisible presence of Christ, ect, ect. He met with them and was bought the whole thing, including Barbour’s prediction for 1914.

  Barbour predicted that the rapture would be in 1878. Russell bought into it so much, he sold all five of his clothing stores, and backed Barbour’s publications.

  Of course, the 1878 failure caused Russell to rethink things, and by 1879 broke out on his own with Zion’s Watch Tower and Herald of Christ’s Presence. Of course, he retained the whole thing about 1874 and 1914, and retooled 1878 into something invisible.

  I believe this is classic sunk cost fallacy. He had sold everything around believing the belief that the rapture was coming in 1878. Therefore, a failure meant that he rallied around that belief system.

  When Russell started his own magazine, he was anti-organization and the umbrella of Watchtower was big enough to accommodate varying viewpoints, including even Trinitarians. That changed after 1881.

  He evidently became a successful writer with the help of his wife Maria. But by the 1890’s, Russell seemed a very different person than he was when he started out. And by the end of his life, he had a following who regarded him the Faithful Slave and the Laocedean Messenger. As he died on a train in Texas, he asked to be dressed in a toga, and that is how he passed away.
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  What is the strangest book or craziest book the JWs have ever printed?

  by blownaway in

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  2. bible

  what do you think the crazies or strangest book they ever printed is?.

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  Hands down: 1917's Finished Mystery.
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  Ex JW Recovery Group 3

  by awake!watcher in

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  is this group on facebook gone?.

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  I do hope it returns.

  I remember I posted a single sentence, "Can you do more?" because anyone who has been in the organization is familiar with this phrase to being on the fear, obligation, and guilt.

  One of the moderators killed it. I didn't make a big deal of it, but haven't started any topic since. But I do think for the most part, it is one of the best Facebook groups.
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  Roll Call for the benefit of Newbies and Lurkers. In One Sentence tell why you left the Org.

  by Wasanelder Once in

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  roll call for the benefit of newbies and lurkers.

  in one sentence tell why you left the org.

  not 2 sentences.

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  Lloyd’s new book

  by jwfacts in

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  2. beliefs

  i see there has already been discussion over lloyd’s new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.

  this includes discussion around his personality, motives and financial gains.

  i have written a foreword for this book, because it is an important topic that has not been covered in such a complete format before.

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  Yes, this might sound cliche, but it's time for all feuding parties to bury the hatchet--or at least, stay out of each other's way.
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  Lloyd’s new book

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i see there has already been discussion over lloyd’s new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.

  this includes discussion around his personality, motives and financial gains.

  i have written a foreword for this book, because it is an important topic that has not been covered in such a complete format before.

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  Londo111

  Paul: I can't think of any online resource that can top JWfacts. You are the true aposta-king!

  I too felt some sympathy for Zeb after watching the W5 episode, especially after he said that he hated storming Kingdom Halls, but knew no other way.

  Of course, then I believe he is the one that went up to a cart of JWs and began reading a certain section from Lloyd's book that contained a confessional that many of his opponents love holding against him. I have a hard time squaring that with the guy I saw on W5.
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  The Home of Charles Taze Russell - Renovated

  by Wild_Thing in

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  2. friends

  charles and maria russell lived in one side.

  emma russell lived on the other.

  emma russell was maria's younger sister who married charles's father.

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  Londo111

  Wait a minute..."Pastor" Russel's sister in law was also his step mother?