Posts by Osarsif

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What was the first thing Adam REALLY said to Eve?

by nicolaou in

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stand back baby, i don't know how big this thing gets!.

nic'.

[with head hanging in shame and waiting for the flak].

Osarsif

quote:
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What was the first thing Adam REALLY said to Eve?
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WHERE'S MY RIB?

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The Ransome Issue

by Amazing in

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from a very young age i have been curious about the ransom jesus provided.

i always wondered why god found it necessary to have his son killed for our sins or our inherited sin, when he simply could have just waved his hand and forgiven us.

my catholic faith helped me some to understand the 'financial' exchange aspect of the ransom, but it was never truly satisfying to my sensibilities.. upon becoming a jw, i felt that they had better ideas and definitions.

Osarsif

Adam and Eve never existed. Ransom doctrine is religious nonsense.

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What was the first thing Adam REALLY said to Eve?

by nicolaou in

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friends

stand back baby, i don't know how big this thing gets!.

nic'.

[with head hanging in shame and waiting for the flak].

Osarsif

That is the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard, but Farkel, since you made the allegation, do you care to share with us the scripture upon which you make this assertion?

See http://observer.org/sex/adamsex.asp

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Obituary Pioneers

by LovesDubs in

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things have gotten desperate in the us for the borg.

they lowered the hours required by the pioneers to 70 and there was this little surge in the number of pioneers and yet there was a negative "increase" in this country.

so...desperate times call for desperate measures.

Osarsif

> It is no longer considered to be the separating work?

From http://www.watchman.org/jw/1914hst1.htm

"Sheep and Goat Judgment" Also Delayed
In a related move, the Watchtower has also announced that the current door-to-door work is not the sheep and goats judgment spoken of by Jesus. For decades the Watchtower claimed that knocking on doors and making converts was "separating the sheep from the goats" judgment foretold by Christ (Matthew 25:31-46). After 1914 failed to bring Armageddon as originally announced, the Watchtower had slowly reinterpreted their prediction claiming that 1914 was the year that Jesus "sat down in judgment" in heaven. Since 1914, the Watchtower had supposedly been helping Jesus with that judgment by "separating the sheep from the goats." The "sheep" were those who became Jehovah's Witnesses and supported the Watchtower while the "goats would be "destroyed because they fial to help Christ's anointed 'brothers' in their service to God" (You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth, p. 183).
Apparently the Society feels that the judgment period has stretched too far. Its been over 80 years since the judgment began in 1914. They are now saying the Bible, "does not show that such judging would continue over an "extended period of many years" (Watchtower, 15 October 1995, p. 22). So the Society now says that Christ sat down as King in 1914, but he did not sit down as Judge in that year. "Although Jesus is now King of the Kingdom, his further activity mentioned in Matthew 19:28 will include sitting on a throne to judge during the Millennium. At that time he will judge all mankind. . ." (Watchtower, 15 October 1995, p. 21). So the sheep and goats judgment is not current since 1914, it is the future - during the Millennium.
The importance of this doctrinal change is magnified by the fact that the Watchtower had in effect caled their old interpretation a revelation from Jehovah. They claimed that, "The Lord revealed to his people the meaning of the parable of the sheep and the goats, showing how the 'sheep' only would be spared by Jehovah when his wrath is expressed at Armageddon. All this information came not from or by man, but by the Lord God. . ." (Watchtower, 1 February 1938, p. 35). Obviously, their old interpretation could not have been "revealed" by Jehovah since they now admit that their old "meaning of the parable" was wrong. Moreover, how can only those judged as "sheep" be spared, and the "goats" be destroyed, at Armageddon, when the "sheep and goats judgment" does not take palce until during the Millennium, after - not before - Armageddon.
Both doctrinal changes are seen by critics as delaying tactics, although the Watchtower denies this motive. "Officials of the Watchtower. . .deny that the leadership felt a generational pressure to change," says Witness spokesman Bob Pevey (Newsweek, 18 December 1995, p. 59). While these new doctrines may provide the Jehovah's Witnesses some much needed breathing room, in the end they may suffocate the Watchtower with the most damaging and conclusive charges of false prophecy to date.

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WTS Valley Farms??? Is it true???

by Gianluca in

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hello,.

someone told me that the wts own something called valley farms but could not show me anything to proove it.. could anyone confirm the valley farms existence and if it does exsist what the wts use it for.. thanks.

gianluca

Osarsif

Valley Farms Corporation (Incorporated 1987)

Président : Charles J. Rice
Vice-Présidents : Kent E. Fischer, Robert L. Rains
Secrétaire-Trésorier : Albert L. Harrell
Directeurs : John R. Strandberg, Samuel D. Buck, Louis A. Travis

http://www.freeminds.org/h2o/289007.html http://user.online.be/~gd34048/gov_body.html

Edited by - Osarsif on 22 March 2001 14:53:16

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Speculation: destruction of service records

by Skimmer in

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one result of the reorganization of october 2000 is that all the full time workers , now members of the "religious order of jehovah's witnesses", have to take a "legal vow of poverty" to remain in service.

the speculation has been that this new requirement is due to recent legal claims in some european nations that the wtbts was liable for retiement, medical, and unemployment taxes/benefits.. ah, but what about all of the hours and hours of work done by full time representatives of the wtbts prior to the reorganization and the poverty vow?

it seems to me that the obsessive record keeping of the wtbts is going to bite them in their behind should the service records be available via the legal discovery process as part of lawsuits for back wages and benefits by disgruntled workers.. has the wtbts destroyed the potentially incriminating service records?