i've worked for 2 different brothers in my lifetime.
since they're a brother, you're supposed to be treated better than a worldly employer, right??
ha!
Finally the wife and I talked it over and I quit. And to this day he still can't figure out why.
Probably because he feels that you were duty bound to work without question for him free just as all JWs slave away for the organization free. When they get that Elder position, they come to expect people to just do as they're told and not to question them.
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where else but in the awake could we see a condemantion of predictions while also justifyng their failure?.
Reborn
While my wife and almost all of my in-laws are still enslaved to the bOrg, I find your characterization of them (dipfucks) as related to their activities in support of the WT wholly accurate. Although I love some of them dearly, your statement didn't offend me in the least.
If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck.....goddamnnit.......IT'S A DUCK !!!!!!!!!!!!
thank you all who responded to my earlier post, i am pleased to say there has been a major development.
just twenty minutes ago i was sitting at the piano and my wife comes up to me and says, "i talked to the brothers, you were absolutely right, i apologize, he (my minor son) will never go to the meetings again".
i sat there in stunned shock both happy and sad at the same time.
"I talked to the brothers, you were absolutely right, I apologize, he (my minor son) will never go to the meetings again".
Freeman
Although you've won this round, this statement from your wife has to be very disheartening for you. It would be for me. This statement speaks volumes as to who her more important marriage partner is and what priority your decisions and opinions have in her life. She didn't say I've thought over what you've said or I prayed about it......she said "I talked to the brothers......" as if their words and opinions hold more weight as to what goes on in yur household. Now what? Must you look forward to every decision you make that she doesn't like being filtered through the opinions of the "brothers" or a WT article?
When I quit going to the meetings, I took the alternate approach some have talked about. I made sure my son had other activities he loved. I supported his activity in the band in high school knowing it would bleed all time away from those indoctrinating sessions meetings. He was in almost every club. As time went by, I could see the strained look on their faces whenever they returned from those meetings because I knew he was questioning everything he heard and saw. He would talk to me about how he hated going to meetings but I asked him to hang in there for his mom's sake. When he turned 16 I gave him the ultimate gift. After a rather loud argument between me and the wife about how he wasn't responding to WT direction I sat them both down and told her that she shouldn't be trying to shove JWism down his throat. Although she didn't want to speak to me for a couple of days after that feeling slighted that I'd taken his side against her, I came out smelling like a rose to my son all the while managing to keep my family intact.
My wife now only half-heartedly go to the meetings alone and doesn't even discuss them with me when she returns home. When I make decisions, even when she doesn't agree, she goes along. She knows that I will not tolerate any meddling from the "brothers" or her telling me "I discussed it with the brothers". If their opinion matters that much to her, she knows that she's on notice we can arrange for those same "brothers" to pay her bills.
If your wife depends upon your for the necessities of life, perhaps you could use that approach with her, especially if the in-laws depend upon you for support too. I know this is a rather bullying tactic and I'd rather not have to use the support card, but it's seemed to take care of a lot of potential problems that come along with a spouse following dubdom.
The WT is a wholly bullying organization. Turnabout is fair play if it serves the interest of your family.
has anyone heard anything about the latest km?
my uncle (on the fringes) told me the newest km said that even non-df'd folks are to be treated as disfellowshipped, if they had been inactive for a long time.
since i haven't seen a km myself, i wondered if this was true?
Reborn
Another damning quote from that same article states:
loyalty includes waiting patiently until further understanding is published by the faithful and discreet slave.
What a crock !!!!! So you should just accept personal loss at the hands of the "friends", even to the point of sacrificing your kids to known child molesters and just wait for further understanding as published by the FDS who themselves are never specifically defined. Everything in life falls to the alter of not bringing reproach on Jehovah thus protecting the image of the organization, his "mouthpiece on earth".
I still have a hard time understanding how deluded I was to believe any of that crap.
has anyone heard anything about the latest km?
my uncle (on the fringes) told me the newest km said that even non-df'd folks are to be treated as disfellowshipped, if they had been inactive for a long time.
since i haven't seen a km myself, i wondered if this was true?
This is only page one of the insert. I think the whole article is two pages long.
has anyone heard anything about the latest km?
my uncle (on the fringes) told me the newest km said that even non-df'd folks are to be treated as disfellowshipped, if they had been inactive for a long time.
since i haven't seen a km myself, i wondered if this was true?
Here's a link to a scanned image of the insert in question.
has anyone heard anything about the latest km?
my uncle (on the fringes) told me the newest km said that even non-df'd folks are to be treated as disfellowshipped, if they had been inactive for a long time.
since i haven't seen a km myself, i wondered if this was true?
I think it is true. I briefly scanned it when my wife finally got hers and brought it home. The WT is tightening it's grip on it's membership in the wake of all the scandals being brought to light.
You might want to check some of yesterdays posts. Someone had a scanned image of the article here.
you may remember my post of a few weeks ago where i took a picture of where the dubs at townhall station in sydney usually set up their stand, but they weren't there that day: .
i was there at 10:30am today and there was one solitary old bloke at his post (ozzie will be happy at the blurred nature of the photos - the low light conditions coupled with people walking past and me trying not to be seen didn't make for great photography): .
edited by - stephanus on 31 july 2002 0:53:7.
I just happened to be walking in a mall in CA and ran across two JW's sitting at a table with a bunch of their litter-ature spread out on it. I was kinda put off and quite surprised that they would be taking that approach to getting new members, and, yes it did smack of commercialism. It was as if they were selling a product alongside of the cellular, jewelry, and cookie stands.
hello, i am new to this site, and i am dating a jw.
however, my experience has been quite different from that of others doing the same thing.
unlike other posts that i have read, her parents (we are both 18) are supportive of her relationship with me, she is quite open minded when it comes to social activities, she has both jw and non-jw friends, and is a totally "normal" 18 year old girl.
If you really like this girl, good luck on making this relationship work for any extended period of time. As a baptised witness, sooner or later she'll have to make the choice between either you or her standing within the congregation. Don't let this nice facade fool you, especially from the elder father. It's their effort to "win you over". It's been my experience with all JW's that sooner or later they'll have to reconcile their relationship with worldlies with their image within the congregation.
If I'm wrong, you may have lucked up upon the most liberal JW family in existence.
did the 1914 generation die anyway?
ver since the beginning of the watchtower movement, they have had some sort of deadline for god's activities.these activities could be the rapture of the saints (which jws today do not believe in), the destruction of "false religion", ie every other religious group, or the final end of this world.
earlier, these deadlines were explicit dates.
Great Post Jan
I remember a few months ago when my BIL was at my house and he brought up this point with me and my wife. My BIL seems to be in a perpetual state of studying...I think he has no intentions of getting baptised. I think he's just going along...."just in case". The implications of this doctrinal change was clear to both me and him but my hardcore dub wife just didn't get it. In typical JW fashion, she just chalked it up to nitpicking and finding fault with the society. She hardly believed that any real change had taken place. I love this woman and she has some very good qualities, but when it comes to the WTS, she is thick, Thick...THICK.
Made a copy of your original post and intent to use it the very next time this subject comes up.
