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  What Should I Say?

  by Stephanus in

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  i ran into some jws i knew last night and asked them if i could get the latest magazines; no-one seems to call on us anymore!

  they said they'd be around sometime today.. what subject should i bring up?

  the paedophilia issue?

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  Stephanus,

  Do you just want to yank their chains, so to speak? or do you really want to effect some good?

  If you want to effect some good, go review the "Opening the Closed Mind" article by Randy Watters at freeminds.org and see if there's something you can use there if these are 'friends' of yours who might actually converse with you. OR, if not, you might want to ask how certain Jehovah's Witnesses can justify [as a conscience matter]accepting all those allowed blood fractions which require HUGE amounts of stored blood to enable the extraction, while they NEVER, ANYWHERE, IN THE ENTIRE WORLD, actually DONATE blood of their own?

  If you want to yank their chains, any of hip's suggestions will work.

  (There'll likely be plenty of publicity on the pedaeophila issue shortly, so you needn't bring that to their attention.)

  Let us know how it turns out.

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  Superstitions

  by Geoff in

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  i was reading through some of you guys old postings and i was laughing so hard.

  some of you guys still believe the strange things your mom and dad said but didnt explain like not eating count chocula cereal.

  didnt ever occur to you that maybe your parents thought that keeping you away from something as simple as a cartoon dracula might be in your best interests?

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  dark clouds,

  ROFL -- Thanks for the belly laugh!

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  In what order were the NT books written?

  by GinnyTosken in

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  "jude," she [sue bridehead] said brightly, when he had finished and come back to her; "will you let me make you a new new testament, like the one i made for myself at christminster?".

  how was that made?".

  "i altered my old one by cutting up all the epistles and gospels into separate brochures, and rearranging them in chronological order as written, beginning the book with thessalonians, following on with the epistles, and putting the gospels much further on.

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  NIV:

  40-50 AD....James
  48-53........Galatians
  50-51........1 Thessalonians
  51-52........2 Thessalonians
  54-55........1 Corinthians
  55.............2 Corinthians
  57............Romans
  59-63........Luke
  50-70........Mark (placed here because of the wide range)
  60-62........Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, Philemon
  60-64........1 Peter
  60-70........Hebrews
  63-65........1 Timothy, Titus
  63-70........Acts
  64-68........2 Peter
  65.............Jude
  66-67........2 Timothy
  70-80........Matthew
  85-95........1 John, 2 John, 3 John
  90-95........John
  90-96........Revelation

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  My, my, how times change

  by tergiversator in

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  * http://www.bergen.com/region/absco08200104085.htm.

  this is the second article i've seen in the past year about bright witness kids going to regular colleges.

  (the other one was about twin brothers down in florida, i believe.

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  Ten to one Rebekah lives in a divided household.

  Even with the easing up on the "no-college-do-not-pass-go-go-straight-into-pioneering" dogma, those are WAY too many extra-curricular activities! If she were an over-achiever, those things would still seriously cut into meeting times and preparing for meetings.

  In my divided household, for example, my children were not allowed to attend the weeknight meetings during the school year until they were teenagers. And even then, the book study first (only 1 hour), and eventually the TMS/Svc Mtgs. (Of course, by the time they were old enough to be allowed to go, they didn't want to go, and I was not supposed to coerce them. (I did use guilt on occasion, I'm ashamed to say.)

  So that's what my HUSBAND did to help them have a normal childhood.

  And what I did was to let it be thought in the congregation that it was my hubby's idea that they be allowed to participate in school plays, choir and community sports teams. (I just thought they needed a LIFE!)

  I AM wondering, however, about the Williams sisters tennis stars...
  is that a divided family, too? Because how many WT articles have we read where sports/music stars LEFT their lucrative careers because they were not conducive to Christian conduct and meeting attendance.
  Anyone know the scoop on that?

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  I hate death!

  by Undecided in

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  i just recieved an email about the death of one of my friends that i sail my r/c boat with.

  that is the fifth one of my sailing friends that have died in the last 5 years.

  in the last 4 years my wife's mother and father died, her brother-in-law, nephew, my aunt, my son's close friend, his wife's grandad, and it goes on and on.

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  Hey, Venice?

  I think you're mixing up Undecided with unanswered. But your post might've made Ken laugh, anyway! (I did, having read the happy b'day thread "I remembered" earlier today!)

  THIS is why we need the profile thread that jst2laws is proposing!

  Keep smilin'
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  Randall Watters exposed

  by StiLLinTruth in

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  hello again friends!.

  well it was time again for me to take my weekly dose of apostate faeces and see what it tastes like.

  decided to check out randy watters this time (we all love him here) and his little testimony on freeminds.org, titled "what happened at bethel in 1980?

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  Bravo, Todd/teejay for your devil's advocate post!

  But I hope that your remarks to Englishman were tongue-in-cheek?

  I am SO tired of hearing people say that when you "join up" you've ceded all independence to the WTBTS! "You knew the consequences when you got baptized."

  Excuse me? But, NO!

  Nobody told ME during my YEARS of Bible study and my Questions for Baptism review that if I ever had a thought in my head that what the Governing Body taught might not be correct, just, or Scriptural that I could be disfellowshipped for apostate THINKING, even if I had not shared my thoughts with any other member of the rank & file!!! And thus would be booted out and SHUNNED!

  Now, getting DF'd for a scriptural offense -- fornication, excessive greed, abuse of drugs or alcohol -- THAT I knew about when I "signed on." But my baptismal question (#2) asked if I knew I would now be recognized as a member of Jehovah's spirit-begotten organization? NODBODY talked about the harsh consequences that would ensue if I dared to question! No, no, no! All was light and smarmy love back then!

  Oh, dear..... running on again.... Sorry!

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  I hate death!

  by Undecided in

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  i just recieved an email about the death of one of my friends that i sail my r/c boat with.

  that is the fifth one of my sailing friends that have died in the last 5 years.

  in the last 4 years my wife's mother and father died, her brother-in-law, nephew, my aunt, my son's close friend, his wife's grandad, and it goes on and on.

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  I'm adding my (((((HUGS))))) to Wendy's, Undecided.

  I so sorry for your family's many recent losses. I, too, have known untimely death, and it can really just devastate one, deep inside. And sometimes death seems to come in waves, like your dozen(!) or so in the past 5 years... I had a period like that when I was about 15.
  Very tough.

  If it would help to tell us about your wonderful friend, we'll happily listen...?

  If not, just know that you can give vent to your sadness and grief and anger here, over and over again, if necessary.

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  I want to know more about you. REALLY!

  by jst2laws in

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  i so desire to know more about the people i am listening to, and occasionally talking to.

  aol has profiles.

  some other web sites have them.

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  That's ok, neyank, I wasn't mentioned either, but we'll be BIG enough to thank jst2 for wanting to "widen out"!

  I like the profile idea, because I get confused between the personalities sometimes and it would be nice to have a sort of index to refresh my memory.

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  (and old enough to begin to have short-term memory loss!)
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  In the model prayer, why wasn't God name used ?

  by nojw86 in

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  when jesus taught his followers how to pray why wasnt the name of god used in the model prayer.

  our father in the heavens, let your name be sancitied.

  with so many people and religions in the world how many would have known the name of god if it were used in that popular prayer.

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  In the new testament only Lord (kyrios) is used. That's why I DO like to have The Jerusalem Bible on hand. It never uses Jehovah/Yahweh in the NT. However, OT texts cited in the NT are italicized and referenced and if you go back to the OT it makes it clear whether "Lord" means "LORD" (the Almighty Yahweh) or "Lord" the Son (and Master). Kind of clears up the intent.

  As to why God's personal name wasn't used, I'm with Venice.

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  You Can See Me Dance The Polka Tra La La La.

  by Englishman in

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  when spencer traceys genial dr. jekyll started to whistle you can see me dance the polka we all knew what was about to happen.

  sure enough, within a minute or so, the hairs were growing on the back of his hands as the metamorphosis into the odious mr. hyde took effect.. so, im wondering, what exactly are the warning signs that signify that a normally pleasant human being is about to turn into that most wearisome of creatures, youve guessed it, the self-righteous condemning and critical jw?.

  i ask because of the impending visit of my auntie lou.

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  Englishman,

  I can't add anymore to the above about "triggers", but

  joelbear,

  I thought you were leaving and now twice today you have been slaying me with your one-liners!

  LOL
  outnfree