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  Does the WTS have a clergy class

  by blondie in

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  this can be confusing because the wts has adjusted from not having a clergy class to not having a "paid" clergy class.. "a congregation of brothers precludes having a proud clergy class that honors itself with high-sounding titles and elevates itself above a laity" wt 6/1/2001 p. 12, pp 11. still same idea in 2021 wt october, p. 20, pp.

  7, but 2022 in the wt publication, frequently asked questions about jehovah’s witnesses, page 13, the wts inserts "paid" in front of "clergy perhaps to shore up their current statement in secular courts they have clergy, just not paid) "following the model of first-century christianity, jehovah’s witnesses have no clergy-laity division.

  all baptized witnesses are ordained ministers and share in the preaching and teaching work.

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  Not at all since the word can have dubious meanings.

  Haha, that’s called “shifting the goalposts”. 😀
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  Does the WTS have a clergy class

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this can be confusing because the wts has adjusted from not having a clergy class to not having a "paid" clergy class.. "a congregation of brothers precludes having a proud clergy class that honors itself with high-sounding titles and elevates itself above a laity" wt 6/1/2001 p. 12, pp 11. still same idea in 2021 wt october, p. 20, pp.

  7, but 2022 in the wt publication, frequently asked questions about jehovah’s witnesses, page 13, the wts inserts "paid" in front of "clergy perhaps to shore up their current statement in secular courts they have clergy, just not paid) "following the model of first-century christianity, jehovah’s witnesses have no clergy-laity division.

  all baptized witnesses are ordained ministers and share in the preaching and teaching work.

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  Fisherman

  JW elders are not paid and are not clergy like the clergy of christendom either and the term paid clergy does not have to imply that JW have an unpaid clergy. It could simply mean that JW don’t have a clergy and that their ministers don't get paid as the clergy of Christendom does.

  I agree, but up to a point. Take for example those elders residing at Bethel homes (branch offices). They receive a paid allowance, meagre I agree, but an allowance nontheless. They are a paid clergy in much the same way as a minister at my church.

  Much of what is claimed by the Witchtower about “Christendom’s” clergy is simply untrue but still the borgmasters parrot it. They have to, you see, to keep the R&F loyal to them - they are the “true christians” after all, aren’t they?
  
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  Start of the Great Tribulation will be announced soon

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  at the 2021 annual meeting, samuel herd revealed new light and claimed the anointed will all have passed away before armageddon.

  it has since been revealed that while they will die before armageddon, there will be some anointed still around that will witness the start of the great tribulation.. so the question is, how many years until the existing members of the governing body have passed away?.

  im not a doctor, but based on their age and various stages of obesity, im thinking 10- 15 years- give or take, sounds about right.. with that in mind, the great tribulation could be announced any day.. the new understanding has now freed the org from the burden of having to identify a particular generation in relation to the date of armageddon.

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  They may even declare the great tribulation is the new normal of the world condition, making the switch from 'we are living in the last days' to 'we are living in the great tribulation'.

  The July issue of Craptower (Study Edition) discusses at length the end-times prophecies with their unique interpretations, yet doesn’t even mention the great tribulation, not once.

  Have they given up on that gem of fear-mongering ?

  Maybe joey jojo is right, and “new lightTM” is to be revealed.
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  Start of the Great Tribulation will be announced soon

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  at the 2021 annual meeting, samuel herd revealed new light and claimed the anointed will all have passed away before armageddon.

  it has since been revealed that while they will die before armageddon, there will be some anointed still around that will witness the start of the great tribulation.. so the question is, how many years until the existing members of the governing body have passed away?.

  im not a doctor, but based on their age and various stages of obesity, im thinking 10- 15 years- give or take, sounds about right.. with that in mind, the great tribulation could be announced any day.. the new understanding has now freed the org from the burden of having to identify a particular generation in relation to the date of armageddon.

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  Fisherman

  But the Bible does say that there is an elite group that goes to heaven whoever they are and that not everyone goes to heaven

  Can you elaborate?
  
  
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  Does the WTS have a clergy class

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this can be confusing because the wts has adjusted from not having a clergy class to not having a "paid" clergy class.. "a congregation of brothers precludes having a proud clergy class that honors itself with high-sounding titles and elevates itself above a laity" wt 6/1/2001 p. 12, pp 11. still same idea in 2021 wt october, p. 20, pp.

  7, but 2022 in the wt publication, frequently asked questions about jehovah’s witnesses, page 13, the wts inserts "paid" in front of "clergy perhaps to shore up their current statement in secular courts they have clergy, just not paid) "following the model of first-century christianity, jehovah’s witnesses have no clergy-laity division.

  all baptized witnesses are ordained ministers and share in the preaching and teaching work.

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  LUHE

  Do they still have District Overseers ?
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  His name was Kevin !🤣
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  If Watchtower and their international team of lawyers can't silence Kevin McFree, what chance does Lloyd Evans have against any of us for speaking our minds? The answer is zero chance.

  Right on Kevin McFree ! You’re my man. Love his videos.
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  Start of the Great Tribulation will be announced soon

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  at the 2021 annual meeting, samuel herd revealed new light and claimed the anointed will all have passed away before armageddon.

  it has since been revealed that while they will die before armageddon, there will be some anointed still around that will witness the start of the great tribulation.. so the question is, how many years until the existing members of the governing body have passed away?.

  im not a doctor, but based on their age and various stages of obesity, im thinking 10- 15 years- give or take, sounds about right.. with that in mind, the great tribulation could be announced any day.. the new understanding has now freed the org from the burden of having to identify a particular generation in relation to the date of armageddon.

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  It is threads like this that leave me incredulous - how did I , how did WE ever believe this stuff ?
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  Am I at the right place?

  by AnotherJohn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’m still a good christian.

  i still believe the bible.. i don’t like the wt society, but some of the people, as individuals are good.

  there are many nasty jws also.. i have concerns about current events and how close the end actually is.

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  Personally, I think you're trolling or lack the ability to discuss things properly.

  There’s been many over the years. Things don’t change,
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  Does the WTS have a clergy class

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this can be confusing because the wts has adjusted from not having a clergy class to not having a "paid" clergy class.. "a congregation of brothers precludes having a proud clergy class that honors itself with high-sounding titles and elevates itself above a laity" wt 6/1/2001 p. 12, pp 11. still same idea in 2021 wt october, p. 20, pp.

  7, but 2022 in the wt publication, frequently asked questions about jehovah’s witnesses, page 13, the wts inserts "paid" in front of "clergy perhaps to shore up their current statement in secular courts they have clergy, just not paid) "following the model of first-century christianity, jehovah’s witnesses have no clergy-laity division.

  all baptized witnesses are ordained ministers and share in the preaching and teaching work.

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  But, when making their sales pitch to the gullible, they claim to have not have a clergy class.

  Yep, and the facts show that millions are “gullible”.

  No wonder politicians get believed too !