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In the somewhat newly found (2000) tablet called "Gabriel's Vision", did Gabriel (possibly an Archangel) raise Simon from the dead?

by I_love_Jeff in

the tablet has many key words missing and it is assumed by many scholars that gabriel may be the archangel mentioned here.

did gabriel raise simon from the dead as described within this tablet?

if this gabriel (on the tablet) were the archangel as mentioned in the book of enoch as well as other parabiblical literature, how does this pose a problem for those who believe archangels are not able to resurrect people from the dead?

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The tablet has many key words missing and it is assumed by many scholars that Gabriel may be the Archangel mentioned here. Did Gabriel raise Simon from the dead as described within this tablet? If this Gabriel (on the tablet) were the Archangel as mentioned in the Book of Enoch as well as other parabiblical literature, how does this pose a problem for those who believe archangels are not able to resurrect people from the dead?

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Luke 16:19-31 Sheol/Hades/Hell? literal vs. metaphor

by I_love_Jeff in

jehovah's witnesses say this is just a parable and that there is no eternal punishment.

for me, i do not believe in eternal punishment even though there is a lot of information in the bible which strongly favors eternal damnation: .

the bible refers to the fate of the unsaved with such fearful words as the following: .

I_love_Jeff

"Allegory however is not justified by the text itself, which contains a narrative parable (quite different from similitude parables) that contrasts the moral choices made by different characters."

@ Leo- forgive my ignorance but what do you mean by this? Thank you!

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Luke 16:19-31 Sheol/Hades/Hell? literal vs. metaphor

by I_love_Jeff in

jehovah's witnesses say this is just a parable and that there is no eternal punishment.

for me, i do not believe in eternal punishment even though there is a lot of information in the bible which strongly favors eternal damnation: .

the bible refers to the fate of the unsaved with such fearful words as the following: .

I_love_Jeff

Jehovah's Witnesses say this is just a parable and that there is no eternal punishment. For me, I do not believe in eternal punishment even though there is a lot of information in the Bible which strongly favors eternal damnation:

The Bible refers to the fate of the unsaved with such fearful words as the following:
• "Shame and everlasting contempt" (Daniel 12:2)
• "Everlasting punishment" (Mathew 25:46)
• "Weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 24:51)
• "Fire unquenchable" (Luke 3:17)
• "Indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish" (Romans 2:8,9)
• "Everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord" (2 Thessalonians 1:9)
• "Eternal fire...the blackness of darkness for ever" (Jude 7,13)

My question has to do with the parable in Luke 16:19-31 Sheol, Hades, Hell

If this is just a parable, what percentage of it is true in regards to eternal punishment? I understand that the parable is simply exposing the falsehood of the Pharisees. If Jesus discusses Sheol, would that portion of the parable not necessarily be JUST a parable but literal?

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Luke 16:19-31 Partially metaphorical. How much of the parable is scripturally true Sheol/Hades/Hell?

by I_love_Jeff in

jehovah's witnesses state there is only "soul sleep" and that jesus' parable, rich man and his brothers who did not listen to moses and the prophets (vv.

29-31), represent the pharisees.

either the jehovah's witnesses' jesus made a mistake or the watchtower made a huge error.

I_love_Jeff

"Get back jojo"

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Luke 16:19-31 Partially metaphorical. How much of the parable is scripturally true Sheol/Hades/Hell?

by I_love_Jeff in

jehovah's witnesses state there is only "soul sleep" and that jesus' parable, rich man and his brothers who did not listen to moses and the prophets (vv.

29-31), represent the pharisees.

either the jehovah's witnesses' jesus made a mistake or the watchtower made a huge error.

I_love_Jeff

Jehovah's Witnesses state there is only "soul sleep" and that Jesus' parable, rich man and his brothers who did not listen to Moses and the prophets (vv. 29-31), represent the Pharisees.

Either the Jehovah's Witnesses' Jesus made a mistake or The Watchtower made a huge error. He wasn't asleep in the grave; he was in a place of "torment." If hell is a place of knowing nothing or a reference to the grave into which we go at death, Jesus' statements about sheol make no sense. Even though it is a metaphor, the story does not add up correctly within the JW doctrine. In my understanding, this may very well be partially metaphorical and rest being true (hell). The part that is true is that of eternal punishment. Let's take a look at some passages to back up the meaning of Hades. He said that if your hand, foot, or eye causes you to sin, it would be better to remove it than to "go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched" (Mark 9:43-48).

Mark 7:13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that." Read Mark 7:1-13 for further details.

*Please give some examples of how the Elders book (written by men) may contain rules which void the laws of God?

**Bonus question: Is it possible to compare some of the rules in the Elders Manual to those in the Mishnah (early Talmud)? If so, any examples?

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