When "Old Light" becomes "New Light" sometime down the line the "New Light" will eventually become old. I do realize the Superiors use passages (AKA word magic) to explain such a big change. What would be the difference between Holy Spirit revelation vs. man's opinion in this particular situation? Since Holy Spirit never makes a mistake, are the Superiors actually using independent thinking and/or possessed by other spirits when switching from "old light" to "new"?
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Is "Old Light" really called independent thinking?
by I_love_Jeff inwhen "old light" becomes "new light" sometime down the line the "new light" will eventually become old.
i do realize the superiors use passages (aka word magic) to explain such a big change.
what would be the difference between holy spirit revelation vs. man's opinion in this particular situation?
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Is their understanding of unity a form of mind control?
by I_love_Jeff innote the following comments and research taken from a concise dictionary of cults and religions:.
what [jehovah's witnesses] define as unity is actually, in effect, a rigid organizational structure and policy.
unity, as the bible teaches it, is a oneness of spirit and humility under the lordship of jesus christ.
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Note the following comments and research taken from A Concise Dictionary of Cults and Religions:
What [Jehovah's Witnesses] define as unity is actually, in effect, a rigid organizational structure and policy. Unity, as the Bible teaches it, is a oneness of spirit and humility under the Lordship of Jesus Christ. (Romans 12:15-16; 14:19; 15:5-7; 1 Peter 3:8)
"Accordingly, as Jehovah's people, we are united because we accept Jehovah's sovereignty, love our brothers, hope in God's Kingdom, and respect the ones God uses to take the lead among us. Jehovah helps us to overcome certain attitudes that because of our imperfection could otherwise threaten our unity.-Rom. 12:2."
"Because present-day elders cooperate with the faithful and discreet slave class, all in the congregation are encouraged and assisted to remain united. (1 Cor. 1:10) When we submit to the Bible-based instruction from Jehovah's organization and follow the direction of the elders, we give proof that we are "earnestly endeavoring to observe the oneness of the spirit in the uniting bond of peace."-Eph. 4:3."
Watchtower Library 2012
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Was Paul's understanding of unity based on doctrinal conformity?
by I_love_Jeff in"do you appreciate jehovah's earthly organization?
" the watchtower of november 1, 1991 makes the following statements:.
"fitly united in the same mind".
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"Do You Appreciate Jehovah's Earthly Organization?" The Watchtower of November 1, 1991 makes the following statements:
"Fitly United in the Same Mind"
One outstanding feature of a diamond is its close-knit, strongly bonded atomic structure. Similarly, Jehovah's earthly organization manifests an unmatched unity in doctrine and brotherhood...
Clearly, those who desire to serve God can only turn to the one organization that enjoys Jehovah's spirit and blessing. (p. 30, 31)
Was Paul trying to make the Corinthians all think alike?
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Why have the Pharisees been deemed unforgiven and forever in the grave
by I_love_Jeff inwhy is it that many believe that the pharisees who spoke against jesus/holy spirit will not be given a second chance?
i know jesus said that it is blasphemy to speak against holy spirit.
did they not follow their mosaic laws and teach others about the rules within the torah?
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EdenOne-superb answer. Thank you.
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Why have the Pharisees been deemed unforgiven and forever in the grave
by I_love_Jeff inwhy is it that many believe that the pharisees who spoke against jesus/holy spirit will not be given a second chance?
i know jesus said that it is blasphemy to speak against holy spirit.
did they not follow their mosaic laws and teach others about the rules within the torah?
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"They did not understand that they were slaves to sin; They failed to see that they needed to repent from their sins and embrace the message of Christ, the Messiah that they ought to have recognized."
Is their ignorance forgiven? Are they to be buried in Gehenna for all eternity since they did not understand the true teachings of Jesus? Is that fair? Most people in the world are ignorant of Jesus' teachings. Are they condemmed as well?
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Even though the Pharisees knew of Jesus' miracles performed, did they not go by Mosaic law regarding false prophets?
by I_love_Jeff indeut.
18:20-22. shouldn't god give them a break and allow them a second chance?
they were only following the rules.
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I'm not saying Jesus was a false prophet BUT I am suggesting that the Jewish leaders at the time were going by their rules, there criteria as to who this Jesus was to them: possibly as false prophet.
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Even though the Pharisees knew of Jesus' miracles performed, did they not go by Mosaic law regarding false prophets?
by I_love_Jeff indeut.
18:20-22. shouldn't god give them a break and allow them a second chance?
they were only following the rules.
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Deut. 18:20-22
Shouldn't God give them a break and allow them a second chance? They were only following the rules.
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Why have the Pharisees been deemed unforgiven and forever in the grave
by I_love_Jeff inwhy is it that many believe that the pharisees who spoke against jesus/holy spirit will not be given a second chance?
i know jesus said that it is blasphemy to speak against holy spirit.
did they not follow their mosaic laws and teach others about the rules within the torah?
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The Mosaic law had a test for false prophets (Deut. 18:20-22).....Even though the Pharisees knew of his miracles performed, did they not go by Mosaic law regarding false prophets?
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Why have the Pharisees been deemed unforgiven and forever in the grave
by I_love_Jeff inwhy is it that many believe that the pharisees who spoke against jesus/holy spirit will not be given a second chance?
i know jesus said that it is blasphemy to speak against holy spirit.
did they not follow their mosaic laws and teach others about the rules within the torah?
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The fact that it is not mentioned after the resurrection, lends itself to the idea that it cannot still be committed. In fact, the indication from passages such as 1 John 1:7,9 is that "all unrighteousness" that a person could commit today can be forgiven by the blood of Jesus. A scholar states: "In the same scripture our Lord gave full assurance that every sin and blasphemy against the ‘Son of man' shall be forgiven him. Today the gospel of Christ is to be preached to every man on earth and any man on earth may be saved by obeying the gospel (Mark 16:15-16)"
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=1218
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Why have the Pharisees been deemed unforgiven and forever in the grave
by I_love_Jeff inwhy is it that many believe that the pharisees who spoke against jesus/holy spirit will not be given a second chance?
i know jesus said that it is blasphemy to speak against holy spirit.
did they not follow their mosaic laws and teach others about the rules within the torah?
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Why is it that many believe that the Pharisees who spoke against Jesus/Holy Spirit will not be given a second chance? I know Jesus said that it is blasphemy to speak against Holy Spirit. Did they not follow their Mosaic Laws and teach others about the rules within the Torah? Many Jewish people today feel that the Messiah has not yet come. How is it that the Pharisees, according to the Jehovah's Witnesses, will not be resurrected since they DID believe in God and followed the Mosaic Laws?
The Pharisees were totally convinced that their laws (both written and oral) and religious observances were correct. The idea of the Messiah breaking these laws was unthinkable to them.
Throughout His ministry, Jesus violated many of their oral laws. He mixed freely with tax collectors and sinners, making Him ceremonially unclean (Luke 7:39)
In the Pharisees' eyes, Jesus was guilty of law breaking and blasphemy. The idea of Jesus criticising them was an outrage (Luke 6:11). They also saw Him as a threat to their popularity and their authority over the people (Luke 13:17).
Did the Pharisees not fear the Roman rulers as well? According to the Pharisees, Jesus was causing problems and if it was not taken care of immediatley, the Pharisees would have been most likely guilty of harboring an opposer to the Roman Government and put to death because of Jesus' rebellious nature?
Is it fair to automatically deem the Pharisees as unforgiven and forever to remain in the grave? Jehovah's Witnesses and other religions automatically assume such a fate for these Pharisees BUT the Bible does not give us that information.
What is your take on all this? Forgiven or not? Please consider the Pharisees' teachings and mind-frame at the time Jesus walked the earth.
I personally do not see them unforgiven and actually allowed a second chance. "Forgive them for they not know what they do"?? Who said that? And to whom did he say it?