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  What is the connection between Astrology, Jesus, the Apostles and the Cross

  by I_love_Jeff in

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  the 12 apostles????.

  jesus' astrology birth chart???.

  maybe the jehovah's witnesses have something right about the cross and its connection with paganism???

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  The 12 Apostles????
  

  Jesus' Astrology Birth Chart???
  

  
  
  

  Maybe the Jehovah's Witnesses have something right about the Cross and its connection with paganism????
  
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  If Adam and Eve were perfect, why did their immortality have to be sustained by the Tree of Life?

  by I_love_Jeff in

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  it was access to this tree that kept adam and eve in a "perfect" state.

  that is why they were kicked out of the garden.

  actually, they may not have found the fruit at the time of their expulsion.

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  There is an article on JW.org that addresses this topic:
  http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazi...
  
  According to this article, it is not known how sin and death were passed on:
  "Humans inherited sin and death, two enemies they cannot escape. Though we do not know exactly how sin and death were physically passed on to Adam’s children, we can see the results."
  
  A careful reading of Genesis makes it abundantly clear what happened, so I'm not sure how the WTS has determined that death and sin are something physical. I do not see any scriptural indication that these things are physical in nature, apart from Romans 5:12 which says, "...[T]hrough one man sin entered into the world and death through sin..."
  
  It should be noted that Paul's commentary, here, doesn't cancel out the actual account found in Genesis, chapter 3. One would think, after reading Romans 5;12, that sin and death mysteriously entered into the human condition by an unknown process. However, going back to Genesis, we see that death was NOT a physical condition, but - rather - a geographical one. If you are in the Garden of Eden, it is possible to live forever by eating from the Tree of Life. If you are NOT in the Garden of Eden, you will NOT be able to eat from the Tree of Life and, therefore, you will die ... eventually. For some reason, people are always forgetting the part about the cherubs who were assigned to block access to the Tree of Life. It is obvious that death entered into the human condition due to a lack of access to a life-sustaining "substance" or component. The notion that we have "bad genes" or that our bodies are imperfect cannot be successfully demonstrated scripturally.
  
  Additionally, perfect people or spirit creatures can sin, so a "sinful nature" is not derived from imperfection. For example, Satan wouldn't have tempted Jesus if there was no chance that he might sin. Satan, himself, had a sinful nature even though has was an angel. The only thing that changed in Adam upon eating the forbidden fruit was his perception. Can the knowledge of good and evil be considered something sinful? If it makes us more like Jesus and Jehovah, then how can it be bad?
  
  Jehovah made Eve's pregnancies more painful (which is something we wouldn't expect from a loving God), and he cursed the ground, caused farming to be more difficult for Adam. Eve was physically altered where reproduction is concerned, but nothing happened to Adam, apparently. One might say that Eve passed on her "bad genes" that made the act of giving birth more difficult for her offspring, but that is a mechanical problem which would not affect her decision-making at all.
  
  Jehovah's Witnesses like to think that we will be restored to our original "perfect" state when we get to Paradise. I contend that we are not necessarily any less perfect now than when Adam and Eve were ejected from the Garden. Any subsequent deterioration would have to be attributed to our being deprived of access to the Tree of Life. Keep in mind that Genesis 3 suggests that Adam and Eve had not yet eaten fruit from the Tree of Life. One would expect it to have a permanent effect (like the Tree of Knowledge), which would mean that banishment from the Garden wouldn't affect their lifespan. Either way, death was IMPOSED geographically and did not result from physical imperfection. Any claims to the contrary are based on the Writing Committee's creative use of their imagination.
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  Has Eternal Life become a carrot?

  by I_love_Jeff in

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  in the insight on the scriptures volume 2 pages 248-249 the society says, "so with obedient mankind, when man's last enemy, death, is brought to nothing, there will be no sin working in their bodies to bring death.

  to time indefinite they will not need to die.

  the insight on the scriptures vol 2, page 1102 -what time indefinite can mean, "however, the hebrew expression 'ohlam' does not in itself mean "forever".

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  "is it just me, or does the curved stick holding the carrot in front of that guy look to anyone else like it might be anchored in his ass?"

  
  

  Ya you're right about that!!
  
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  Has Eternal Life become a carrot?

  by I_love_Jeff in

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  in the insight on the scriptures volume 2 pages 248-249 the society says, "so with obedient mankind, when man's last enemy, death, is brought to nothing, there will be no sin working in their bodies to bring death.

  to time indefinite they will not need to die.

  the insight on the scriptures vol 2, page 1102 -what time indefinite can mean, "however, the hebrew expression 'ohlam' does not in itself mean "forever".

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  In the Insight on the Scriptures Volume 2 pages 248-249 the Society says, "So with obedient mankind, when man's last enemy, death, is brought to nothing, there will be no sin working in their bodies to bring death. To time indefinite they will not need to die."

  The Insight on the Scriptures vol 2, page 1102 -what time indefinite can mean, "However, the Hebrew expression 'ohlam' does not in itself mean "forever". It often refers to things that have an end, but the period of such things' existence can be said to be 'to time indefinite' because the time of their end is not then specified."

  So even after the 1,000 years are over, Jehovah's Witnesses will remain mortal. They will always remain able to die if they are not obedient????
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  If Adam and Eve were perfect, why did their immortality have to be sustained by the Tree of Life?

  by I_love_Jeff in

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  it was access to this tree that kept adam and eve in a "perfect" state.

  that is why they were kicked out of the garden.

  actually, they may not have found the fruit at the time of their expulsion.

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  Interesting
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  If Adam and Eve were perfect, why did their immortality have to be sustained by the Tree of Life?

  by I_love_Jeff in

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  it was access to this tree that kept adam and eve in a "perfect" state.

  that is why they were kicked out of the garden.

  actually, they may not have found the fruit at the time of their expulsion.

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  Difference between immortality and everlasting life?????????
  
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  If Adam and Eve were perfect, why did their immortality have to be sustained by the Tree of Life?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it was access to this tree that kept adam and eve in a "perfect" state.

  that is why they were kicked out of the garden.

  actually, they may not have found the fruit at the time of their expulsion.

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  Jehovah's Witnesses say that immortality and everlasting life are two different things.

  https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20150329094928AAUXXIN

  Immortality=quality of life

  Everlasting=???

  Questions From Readers
  ▪ What is the difference between immortality and everlasting life?
  Endless life will be enjoyed both by anointed ones receiving spirit life in heaven and by humans whom God declares righteous for life on the Paradise earth. So if you think about the outcome, immortality in heaven and everlasting life on earth result in basically the same thing—living forever. There are, though, some comments about immortality that can be made.
  The Greek word translated “immortality” (athanasia) is formed from the negative a and from thanatos, meaning “death.” Immortality thus has the basic sense of ‘without death,’ or deathlessness. Understandably, Jehovah is the absolute source of all life and is immortal. (Psalm 36:9; 90:1, 2) This is confirmed by the fact that his glorified Son, who now “is the reflection of [God’s] glory and the exact representation of his very being,” is described as “the King of those [men] who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords, the one alone having immortality.” (Hebrews 1:3; 1 Timothy 6:15, 16) No creature can take Jesus’ life as an immortal, which makes him different from humans or spirits that can die. Further, we read: “Now that [Christ] has been raised up from the dead, [he] dies no more; death is master over him no more.”—Romans 6:9.
  Though immortality is, in a sense, everlasting life, immortality apparently implies more than that its possessor will live forever. It seems to indicate a particular quality of life, and it is linked with incorruption. The Bible says about spirit-anointed Christians who receive the heavenly reward: “This which is corruptible [in its human body] must put on incorruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality. But when this which is corruptible puts on incorruption and this which is mortal puts on immortality, then the saying will take place that is written: ‘Death is swallowed up forever.’”—1 Corinthians 15:53, 54.
  Still, the Bible does not provide much detail about the quality of life termed immortality. We do know that mortal humans—even perfect humans having the prospect of endless life on earth—must eat and drink to maintain life, or they die and their bodies experience corruption. (Genesis 2:9, 15, 16) No doubt immortality involves a quality of life that does not need to be sustained like that. Thus it could be said that all who become immortal are not subject to death or that ‘death is master over them no more.’ That would harmonize, too, with their receiving incorruptibility, indicating that their spirit body or organism is inherently beyond decay, ruin or corruption. (Compare 2 Corinthians 5:1; Revelation 20:6.) In these ways a difference might be seen between immortality and everlasting human life.
  Jehovah God is the perfect Judge who rewards anointed ones with immortality. When he in his boundless wisdom and insight determines such ones to be completely tested and unquestionably qualified for immortality, we can trust that they will forever be faithful. All whom Jehovah judges worthy of endless life, whether as immortal spirits or as perfect humans, will be able to worship him forever. Thus, in the final analysis, both everlasting human life and immortality in heaven result in endless life.—John 17:3.
  4//1984 pg.30 Question from Readers Watchtower Mag.
  
  
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  If Adam and Eve were perfect, why did their immortality have to be sustained by the Tree of Life?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
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  it was access to this tree that kept adam and eve in a "perfect" state.

  that is why they were kicked out of the garden.

  actually, they may not have found the fruit at the time of their expulsion.

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  Called eisegesis, perhaps?
  
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  If Adam and Eve were perfect, why did their immortality have to be sustained by the Tree of Life?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it was access to this tree that kept adam and eve in a "perfect" state.

  that is why they were kicked out of the garden.

  actually, they may not have found the fruit at the time of their expulsion.

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  I_love_Jeff

  If it can deprogram a cult member, I'll gladly take this journey.
  
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  If Adam and Eve were perfect, why did their immortality have to be sustained by the Tree of Life?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
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  it was access to this tree that kept adam and eve in a "perfect" state.

  that is why they were kicked out of the garden.

  actually, they may not have found the fruit at the time of their expulsion.

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  It was access to this tree that kept Adam and Eve in a "perfect" state. That is why they were kicked out of the Garden. Actually, they may not have found the fruit at the time of their expulsion. How can it be reasonably asserted that their bodies were in a perfect, immortal state when the facts tell us otherwise?

  
  

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