Posts by tootired2care

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I guess I'm in a particularly morose mood today

by wha happened? in

but i guess i finaly had it at the office with religion.

(there are two dubs and everyone else just throws in comments).

i guess living the life of a dub for a number of years took a lot of the belief out of me.. i think what threw me the most is when i hear people saying that god is like a parent, a father watching over his children.

tootired2care

Yes agreed a undeniable communication is long overdue with all the confusion and noise out there. The other day there was a thread about that getting an update from god in this day and age.

Not to get you down more but if you really do believe the bibles narrative on the subject then we are all essentially pawns. From God's standpoint this is all a strictly legal case to "to regain control of the Universe" as designs mentioned. God is giving us plenty of rope to hang ourselves with; a testement that we can't rule ourselves. Think of the child that openly challenges the math teacher in front of all the class, the math teacher hands the child the chalk and let's him try and do it better (which of course he can't) If we survive this system, God will use our own ineptness as a justification for a "celestial dictatorship" for all eternity as Hitchins put it. I am convinced that the rebellion in the bible was always about freedom. I just don't buy it that God could not see this coming when he decided to create sentient life and fate those who saw things differently would be killed off seems very petty.

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Impact of climate change may be underestimated - Article worth reading

by cantleave in

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-26/scientists-may-have-underestimated-climate-change/3913288.

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tootired2care

Forget this global warming stuff (err climate change ) it's all sideshow and a waste of time. I think we'd all be much better off spending our brain power and money getting the space program really going again. We need to get to other habitable planets before a meteor destroys all life on this planet. This will force development of superior technology that will go much farther to providing a real solution rather than a gubermint and UN plans/theft in the name of climate change.

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So What Would You Do If You Won $550,000,000?

by Mary in

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friends

ok, so the mega millions jackpot is at half a billion dollars.

if you won and decided to take it in a lump sum, you automatically lose 40%, then there's state and federal taxes, so you'd actually get a 'meazly' $240,000,000.. what would you do if you won that kind of money?

other than donate a chunk to the world-wide-wit-lessing-work..........

tootired2care

Invest it in Solyndra!

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How God Favors Evil

by leavingwt in

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"if the abrahamic god is real, then he cares more about the rapist's freedom to rape, and the murderer's freedom to murder, than he cares about the lives of their victims.".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1bzp1wr234.

tootired2care

That is good stuff!

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What does Satan and 1/3 of all angels stand to gain by creating chaos?

by tootired2care in

"and war broke out in heaven: michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven.

9 so down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called devil and satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.

" - rev 12:7.

tootired2care

And another sign was seen in heaven, and, look! a great fiery-colored dragon, with seven heads and ten horns and upon its heads seven diadems; 4 and its tail drags a third of the stars of heaven, and it hurled them down to the earth. And the dragon kept standing before the woman who was about to give birth, that, when she did give birth, it might devour her child.- Rev 12:3-4

When the morning stars joyfully cried out together,And all the sons of God began shouting in applause? - Job 38:7

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What does Satan and 1/3 of all angels stand to gain by creating chaos?

by tootired2care in

"and war broke out in heaven: michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven.

9 so down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called devil and satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.

" - rev 12:7.

tootired2care

That is what I love about this forum, you can ask some real questions! It's fascinating to me that the bible reports that 1/3 of angels left; which makes me wonder if his ideas for his subjects living conditions really is just not that great. I mean if they were all right there with God, isn't that as good as it gets? Well the fact that 1/3 left says otherwise. If I were a betting man I would bet they left because they wanted freedom and could never have it where they were.

"there weren’t a force of evil (Satan) in opposition to good (god) causing all the horrible things, god would just be a manipulative psychotic homicidal monster"

Interesting point, I'm not sure what god would be without the rebellion, unless he just got bored there would be no one to go "manipulative psychotic homicidal" on. It's almost as if though the rebellion gave God some definition.

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Impact of climate change may be underestimated - Article worth reading

by cantleave in

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-26/scientists-may-have-underestimated-climate-change/3913288.

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tootired2care

I believe A global carbon tax is this the "cohernet plan" you're looking for. It's the UN's idea, so it's gotta be awesome right?

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=d5c3c93f-802a-23ad-4f29-fe59494b48a6

excerpt - “A climate change response must have at its heart a redistribution of wealth and resources,”

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What does Satan and 1/3 of all angels stand to gain by creating chaos?

by tootired2care in

"and war broke out in heaven: michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven.

9 so down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called devil and satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.

" - rev 12:7.

tootired2care

NRFG - Interesting I had forgotten about that account. It seems like even the dark characters in the narrative have their part they must play.

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What does Satan and 1/3 of all angels stand to gain by creating chaos?

by tootired2care in

"and war broke out in heaven: michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven.

9 so down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called devil and satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.

" - rev 12:7.

tootired2care

sir82 - "You're looking for coherence and rationality from a book written by Bronze age goatherds?"

Actually I probably should have phrased my question better; Im more interested in what were the explanations that were given for such a seemingly obvious break in logic.

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What does Satan and 1/3 of all angels stand to gain by creating chaos?

by tootired2care in

"and war broke out in heaven: michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven.

9 so down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called devil and satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.

" - rev 12:7.

tootired2care

"And war broke out in heaven: Mi′cha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him." - Rev 12:7

"On this account be glad, YOU heavens and YOU who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time" - Rev 12:12

This is a question i've always grappled with. Satan wanted to start a movement of independence from God. But if he intentionaly tries to create a world full of choas and problems then isn't he really just doing Gods will by helping his legal case by proving true God's assertion that independence from him leads to nothing beneficial. This does not seem logical,it seems that if someone was opposed they would do everything in their power to disprove the opposite sides viewpoint.

I'm interested in your thoughts on this.