growing up and jw and being around them all my life i constantly heard the expression "a relasionship with god".
this always confused me, because how do you have a relasionship with someone that doesn't talk back to you after praying?
this was always rationalized as god talks back to you when you read the bible.
Yea I'm with you tal & mine. You can't underestimate the positive effect of keeping loneliness at bay and having an inner dialog, the mind is powerful.
Nambo -
So if I'm hearing you right it sounds like you have a strong feeling of calmness or collectiveness.
i have been on this site daily, almost from its beginning, since i left the jws in 2001, but i have been more of a reader than a poster, as you can see from my post count.
i know few here know me, although i know many of you through reading your posts.
maybe it is not right to ask for support, when i generally stay quietly in the background of this forum, but i want only to speak a human misery of the deepest kind.
Truman thanks for including us, and know that you are loved here.
growing up and jw and being around them all my life i constantly heard the expression "a relasionship with god".
this always confused me, because how do you have a relasionship with someone that doesn't talk back to you after praying?
this was always rationalized as god talks back to you when you read the bible.
Growing up and JW and being around them all my life I constantly heard the expression "a relasionship with God". This always confused me, because how do you have a relasionship with someone that doesn't talk back to you after praying? This was always rationalized as God talks back to you when you read the bible. This always seemed strange to me and I was curious if it was just something that people said, that sounded good (like so many other things JW's do) or if people actually experienced or felt something real. I personally never experienced anything other than silence, and never experienced a helping hand from heaven as so many of the JW yearbooks testify to.
I'm interested in your thoughts on this one. Thanks in advance.
prove anything close to what jw's teach.
and that is that there is only one true religion.
the thread "is worship deserved?
It seems most all religion has twisted the Bible or the Quaran to make the claim that they have the path to salvation, in order to control people. When you stop and think about the arrogance of it, it really is appaling. Religion just needs to die.
anyone know the jw explanation for this:.
so supposedly, god exists outside of space and time.
or, god wasn't created and didn't create itself, it just always was, or something.... ignoring any logical issues for a moment, if this is true, why does it deserve any worship for this?.
There is no earthly vs. heavenly hope, tootired. That is another jw falsehood.
Falsehood or a different interpretation from a book that no one has agreed on for the last 2000+ years?
anyone know the jw explanation for this:.
so supposedly, god exists outside of space and time.
or, god wasn't created and didn't create itself, it just always was, or something.... ignoring any logical issues for a moment, if this is true, why does it deserve any worship for this?.
Bottom line is he does let Satan loose to wield his influence on all intelligent creation again, and I view this as a retest which you obviously don't, I think it's pointless to argue this anymore. The sidepoint that I'm refering to is the finer technical points of the resurrection, which really doesn't matter to me, what matters is he is allowing this all to happen again.
anyone know the jw explanation for this:.
so supposedly, god exists outside of space and time.
or, god wasn't created and didn't create itself, it just always was, or something.... ignoring any logical issues for a moment, if this is true, why does it deserve any worship for this?.
First off... what toiling and sacrifice are we speaking of here?
I guess you have to have been a JW to really understand this...The constant pressure to always be doing more and better to output at your peak for your whole life to attain the prize. This is what was drilled into us with reference to scriptures like these.
“Do you not know that the runners in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may attain it.”—1 Cor. 9:24.
“Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door"Luke 13:24
The life of Christian, the way the scriptures paint it out that it should be, is not a normal life as most Christian faiths settle for these days.
anyone know the jw explanation for this:.
so supposedly, god exists outside of space and time.
or, god wasn't created and didn't create itself, it just always was, or something.... ignoring any logical issues for a moment, if this is true, why does it deserve any worship for this?.
I think You are not being fair. you draw conclusions without considering all the evidence.
Evidence? "Something ELSE must have happened"...interesting.
anyone know the jw explanation for this:.
so supposedly, god exists outside of space and time.
or, god wasn't created and didn't create itself, it just always was, or something.... ignoring any logical issues for a moment, if this is true, why does it deserve any worship for this?.
Tec - If I'm correct Paul was speaking to the annointed or little flock (Luke 12:32, Revelation 5:9, 10; 14:1) as Jesus called them, I'm not sure if what you says applies to those who today live a faithful course and die with an earthly hope (great crowd Rev 7:9), or any that have since died after the first century congregation was sown over with weeds.
In any event we are splitting hairs arguing this sidepoint; that really doesn't matter or isn't key to the topic of this thread. The point is God is allowing a retest period and you are entitled to believe otherwise.
anyone know the jw explanation for this:.
so supposedly, god exists outside of space and time.
or, god wasn't created and didn't create itself, it just always was, or something.... ignoring any logical issues for a moment, if this is true, why does it deserve any worship for this?.
Drew - I came to this conclusion by reading the bible and considering the many accounts of how it turned out for those that didn't do "just so"; and realizing that he is allowing a second test to find the rest of those that don't see things his way so he can destroy them.
While the sons of Israel were continuing in the wilderness, they once found a man collecting pieces of wood on the sabbath day. 33 Then those who found him collecting pieces of wood brought him up to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly. 34 So they committed him into custody, because it had not been distinctly stated what should be done to him.
35 In time Jehovah said to Moses: “Without fail the man should be put to death, the whole assembly pelting him with stones outside the camp.” Numbers 15:32-35
“For I am Jehovah; I have not changed" Mal 3:6
“‘A noise will certainly come clear to the farthest part of the earth, for there is a controversy that Jehovah has with the nations. He must personally put himself in judgment with all flesh. As regards the wicked ones, he must give them to the sword,’ is the utterance of Jehovah.
32 “This is what Jehovah of armies has said, ‘Look! A calamity is going forth from nation to nation, and a great tempest itself will be roused up from the remotest parts of the earth. 33 And those slain by Jehovah will certainly come to be in that day from one end of the earth clear to the other end of the earth. They will not be bewailed, neither will they be gathered up or be buried. As manure on the surface of the ground they will become. - Jer 25:32
What is wicked?
Many things here is one: "Beware, brothers, for fear there should ever develop in any one of YOU a wicked heart lacking faith by drawing away from the living God". Heb 3:12
