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  Christian Apologists - Please Watch This and Tell Us Why it is wrong?

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1bzp1wr234&feature=relmfu.

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  tootired2care

  Silence is consent. I guess the fact that none of the other religious believers commented on Sabs interpretations means they probably agree. Religion and god - what a fuster cluck. I think we'll do just fine without it.
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  Christian Apologists - Please Watch This and Tell Us Why it is wrong?

  by cantleave in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1bzp1wr234&feature=relmfu.

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  tootired2care

  Thank you Sab, this has been very enlightening. I have never before felt better about making a decision to leave religion and forget about god.
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  Christian Apologists - Please Watch This and Tell Us Why it is wrong?

  by cantleave in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1bzp1wr234&feature=relmfu.

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  Sab - who is the authority to say that we are doing things in the right mold of god? This is absolutely ridiculous. we all might as well be living in Iran, if this is how it's supposed to be.
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  Christian Apologists - Please Watch This and Tell Us Why it is wrong?

  by cantleave in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1bzp1wr234&feature=relmfu.

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  tootired2care

  Being approved and therefore being made available to be molded by God.

  Yep...he said that....Sab what if my god is Thor?
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  Christian Apologists - Please Watch This and Tell Us Why it is wrong?

  by cantleave in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1bzp1wr234&feature=relmfu.

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  tootired2care

  Then what do you mean by "God's favor"?
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  Christian Apologists - Please Watch This and Tell Us Why it is wrong?

  by cantleave in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1bzp1wr234&feature=relmfu.

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  tootired2care

  As for Satan being cast down to earth, that's why I didn't say that I know that the heavens never had problems like that of earth. However there is no reason to believe wars in heaven occured where spirit creatures are killed like they are on earth. A war in heaven is not going to be a very tangible thought and requires a war on earth to even logically contemplate the idea.

  Sab - This still does not diminish the point about war in heaven. The bible never specified anything about the control of earthly kingdoms transferring over to the good side. The idea that God is backing the U.S. or still backing Isreal has no support in scripture.

  Futhermore, If god is working on making heaven on earth in gradual fashion, then his attemps so far have been very unimpressive. Sab a person of reason could hardly accept your explanation of what god is doing now because it's all speculation.

  So let's summarize.

  1. We see no evidence of god acting in our time.
  2. The scriptures don't support this position.
  3. Freedom and science have gotten us to where we are today.

  I think the choice is quite obvious. Keep religion in your living room!
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  Christian Apologists - Please Watch This and Tell Us Why it is wrong?

  by cantleave in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1bzp1wr234&feature=relmfu.

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  I think all of this worrying about a blessing from god, which god or devil is in control of what, is frankly dangerous and a huge waste of time for a secular society to be concerned with. If you want to believe in this fine, just keep it in your living room, and out of political decisions. This idea, that we would follow Israel down some rabbit hole, on a fools errand against the Muslim world for gods blessing, is just stupid and very dangerous thinking.

  It's not gods bliss that enables man to progress over the long haul, it's having freedom, a good education, dillegent hard work, and not worrying about what god thinks or doesn't think. Case in point - ignoring the many atrocities committed in Russia, just look at the many technological achievements they were able to achieve as a godless state. And before you say it I don't believe the fall of their empire had anything to do with god not being on their side, they lost to the better prospect of freedom.
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  Christian Apologists - Please Watch This and Tell Us Why it is wrong?

  by cantleave in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1bzp1wr234&feature=relmfu.

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  tootired2care

  Heaven doesn't have wars and terrorists

  It certainly did in the past according to the bible, and whos to say it won't in the future?

  Interesting... question: if that is gods plan, how could Satan offer to Jesus the kingdoms of the world, if they weren't his to give and god was using them to make heaven on earth? And how do you reconcile that position with the scripture below? Or is this a part of the bible you don't believe?

  Rev 12:

  7 And war broke out in heaven: Mi′cha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
  “Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God! 11 And they conquered him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their witnessing, and they did not love their souls even in the face of death. 12 On this account be glad, YOU heavens and YOU who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.”
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  Let's do a brief exercise, shall we?

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  please read this excerpt from the creator book by jehovah's witnesses:.

  nothing can change this declared purpose of the creator, namely, that the whole earth should be turned into a paradise filled with happy humans living at peace with one another and with the animals.. .

  okay, pretty simple right?

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  Awake 6/2013 - Was it Designed?

  Think about about all of the animals that naturally engage in filial cannibalism (eating of their young). Examples may include but not limited to: polar bears , burying beetles, hamsters, wolf spiders and a wide range of fish species.

  What do you think? Did animals and insects that eat their own young come about by evolution? Or was it
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  Christian Apologists - Please Watch This and Tell Us Why it is wrong?

  by cantleave in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1bzp1wr234&feature=relmfu.

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  Sab I'm very confused now, you stated "Also Earth is becoming heaven-like" how is that possible when Earth is tangible and heaven is not?