Posts by flamegrilled

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Add your favorite JW prayer cliche'

by King Solomon in

you know what i'm talking about: the trite, often-repeated phrases that convey the person offering the prayer has drawn a mental blank, and utters these words while their brain desperately searches for the next cliche', so they can conclude the ritual with the required tag, "in jesus' name we pray".... (is that like the postage stamp?).

ok, i'll kick this one off, and take the most obvious:.

"forgive us where we fall short....".

flamegrilled

Lately prayers have become a "how many times can I say Jehovah" during my prayer contest. I seems to just get thrown in like a word whisker like "um" would get used

So true. As if we would do that talking to our father. I don't even call my dad by his first name - I know some do these days. I find it less personal. But even if I did use his real name, if I said to him "and Joe could you do me a favour Joe, and Joe please look after mum because Joe you know she needs supporting ... Joe" he'd think I'd completely gone la-la.

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Cemetery of Forgotten Books

by compound complex in

i wound my way to a place both dark and light .

whose aspect was deeply grave yet of cheerful .

within the heightened stalls were untold rows.

flamegrilled

'The Shadow of the Wind' is an awesome book.

Nice post CC - beautifully written.

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Trinity Brochure

by flamegrilled in

has anybody heard an official reason that the trinity brochure is deceased?.

the gb have been released basically new versions of old brochures with wild abandon, and yet the trinity brochure which has absolutely no equivalent is no longer in print.. why?.

we all know there were dodgy references/quotations therein, but you would think by now the gb would have put some effort into a viable replacement if it were posssible.. nobody seems to be making too much of this as far as i can see.. the trinity brochure was very naughty.

flamegrilled

You might be able to get it if your congregation still has a supply on hand (it was never a fast mover anyway), but I am 99% certain they are not in print anymore.

The GB must have taken an active decision to discontinue it. I am wondering if it is an implicit acknowledgement that the content was wrong, or what other explanation is there? If the blood brochure was just no longer printed with no replacement what would you think?

BlackSheep - good point - the contents appear online. I am wondering if it is a sanitized version or an exact replica of the print copy. I will try to find a hard copy to check.

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Trinity Brochure

by flamegrilled in

has anybody heard an official reason that the trinity brochure is deceased?.

the gb have been released basically new versions of old brochures with wild abandon, and yet the trinity brochure which has absolutely no equivalent is no longer in print.. why?.

we all know there were dodgy references/quotations therein, but you would think by now the gb would have put some effort into a viable replacement if it were posssible.. nobody seems to be making too much of this as far as i can see.. the trinity brochure was very naughty.

flamegrilled

NL - You are correct, I think they must be playing it safe. But then wouldn't it just be easier to leave the Trinity brochure in play. Some people are asking questions as to why it isn't available. (I am still in - I know)

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Trinity Brochure

by flamegrilled in

has anybody heard an official reason that the trinity brochure is deceased?.

the gb have been released basically new versions of old brochures with wild abandon, and yet the trinity brochure which has absolutely no equivalent is no longer in print.. why?.

we all know there were dodgy references/quotations therein, but you would think by now the gb would have put some effort into a viable replacement if it were posssible.. nobody seems to be making too much of this as far as i can see.. the trinity brochure was very naughty.

flamegrilled

Bu seriously speaking there is a void. The Trinity is used as a big differentiator and yet there is nothing of substance to defend the position. Had the brochure been good it should have been an indispensible asset. Many of the faithful saw it that way. Many don't know why it isn't available.

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Trinity Brochure

by flamegrilled in

has anybody heard an official reason that the trinity brochure is deceased?.

the gb have been released basically new versions of old brochures with wild abandon, and yet the trinity brochure which has absolutely no equivalent is no longer in print.. why?.

we all know there were dodgy references/quotations therein, but you would think by now the gb would have put some effort into a viable replacement if it were posssible.. nobody seems to be making too much of this as far as i can see.. the trinity brochure was very naughty.

flamegrilled

Has anybody heard an official reason that the trinity brochure is deceased?

The GB have been released basically new versions of old brochures with wild abandon, and yet the trinity brochure which has absolutely no equivalent is no longer in print.

Why?

We all know there were dodgy references/quotations therein, but you would think by now the GB would have put some effort into a viable replacement IF IT WERE POSSSIBLE.

Nobody seems to be making too much of this as far as I can see.

The Trinity Brochure was very naughty. I think it has been sent to the corner to think about what it has done. But you would think that it was now about time that the GB had found a way to let it out again under an alter ego - no?

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United Nations mentioned in Watchtower publications

by Magi in

hi everyone, i have some questions for anyone that can answer.

i've been doing some research in the whole united nations scandal with the watchtower organization.

and i am wondering what the society's view on the un is as of late.

flamegrilled

See latest study ed - June 15th 2012 pg 12 - UN is still the eighth king.

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If you've left JWs for Christ - will the end still come?

by flamegrilled in

something i don't see supported much on jwn is the notion that the end of this system is indeed coming, even if later than wts has predicted over the years.. now for those that have left and become complete non-believers (in the bible) that is understandable.

you guys are welcome to comment of course, but i'm far more interested in some feedback from the people who have left jws and pursued a christian course.

are you still convinced that there will be a war of armaggedon or do you now interpret the scriptures a different way?.

flamegrilled

Now I know why some of those WT questions add the word "Explain" afterwards.

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If you've left JWs for Christ - will the end still come?

by flamegrilled in

something i don't see supported much on jwn is the notion that the end of this system is indeed coming, even if later than wts has predicted over the years.. now for those that have left and become complete non-believers (in the bible) that is understandable.

you guys are welcome to comment of course, but i'm far more interested in some feedback from the people who have left jws and pursued a christian course.

are you still convinced that there will be a war of armaggedon or do you now interpret the scriptures a different way?.

flamegrilled

Something I don't see supported much on JWN is the notion that the end of this system is indeed coming, even if later than WTS has predicted over the years.

Now for those that have left and become complete non-believers (in the Bible) that is understandable. You guys are welcome to comment of course, but I'm far more interested in some feedback from the people who have left JWs and pursued a Christian course. Are you still convinced that there will be a war of armaggedon or do you now interpret the scriptures a different way?

If you do still think the end is coming, then where do you feel that JWs have got things wrong in their interpretation of events (not timing, but rather the things that will actually occur)?

If you don't think that such an event is looming then how do you read all of the prophecies that JWs interpret this way? In particular alongside all of Jesus' other warnings the wording at Luke 21:34,35. For any that would answer that all this applies to Jerusalem in 1st century only, how do the subsequent visions of Revelation fit?

FG

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Active JW understands flaws in WTS doctrine but believes in the Bible

by flamegrilled in

perhaps this is a common topic for newbies on the site, but i have browsed for a while and not seen this exactly answered.. as an active jw who understands the flaws in wts doctrine, but believes in the bible, how do i identify a form of worship that meets all the criterea:.

1) by this all will know you are my disciples if you have love among yourselves (john 13:35).

sure i know that not all jws do this, and that people from other religions or non-religious people do this also, but as an official doctrine jws will not kill one another in war, and in general there is a genuine effort to exercise "agape" love not widely found in the world at large.. 2) preach the good news.

flamegrilled

Tammy - just so I understand do you think that the NT is inspired, or some of it, or none of it? I note you quote 1 John, but seem to imply that Paul was acting with good motive, but maybe not exactly according to what Christ had in mind. Did I understand that correctly? If so I am not asking so as to disagree or criticize. I myself have wondered when Paul says in one place "I say, not the Lord" (can't remember where). It would just help me if I understood your perspective on the NT as the inspired word of God or not.