Posts by flamegrilled

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The Fear of Regret & Apostasy

by Emery in

first off a big thanks to everyone here, you have received me with much love and support.

i appreciate all that have contributed their time and hardwork over the years here at jwn.. this post here is directed to those who are on the fence like i was.

i hope this helps you in some way to understand both the doubts and indoctrination.. i am also currently an active jehovahs witness and have been for almost 20 years (26 years old).

flamegrilled

Sulla: But I've had dealings with more than my share of JW apologists and know enough to say that they all have the same diseases

That is generalization straight out of the WT. They would call all who were formerly associated who disagree with them "mentally diseased". To generalize in such a blanket way is to stoop to the level of someone who doesn't understand the issues or is trying to press a very specific agenda.

I think Emery made a perfectly reasonable post, and your response tries to undermine the strength of it. Many of us know the upside of the org. Denying it as if to say that someone is effectively "still in" by acknowledgeing any positive aspect does little to show a balanced view to those others who are on the fence.

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Help with Mathematical Concepts, Not Arithmetic

by Band on the Run in

jw
friends

my math background is embarassing.

my public education was very sad.

although i received good grades in college track math courses, i never understood the underlying ideas or motivations.

flamegrilled

I am among the people who love mathematics. It can be argued that pure mathematics is the only non-subjective form of knowledge.

Most people who are not good at math just don't bother, or say that they dislike the subject. So I'd just like to give big respect to BotR for not having a good math education but having the desire to know more.

Often the subject becomes more exciting when applied to something you enjoy or find interesting in iteself. For example I am fascinated by probability, and as a consequence I find the game of poker to be a great outlet for my brain to sort out these concepts. I am not a gambler per se. I don't buy lottery tickets (mostly because I do understand probability well enough), but I find poker helps to keep my mind quite engaged in continuing to assess probability from various angles. As a result I find that many of the concepts translate well into other decision making situations in life.

My point is that the branches of mathementics are so numerous it's good to find something that peaks your interest. I like all math in principle, but some subjects are more interesting than others. Equations to me are interesting, but I can't see myself spending a lot of time on them. However a study of Alan Turing's work and how binary numbers can demonstrates the ultimate limits of AI and consciousness just helps me appreciate what an amazing world we live in.

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Add your favorite JW prayer cliche'

by King Solomon in

you know what i'm talking about: the trite, often-repeated phrases that convey the person offering the prayer has drawn a mental blank, and utters these words while their brain desperately searches for the next cliche', so they can conclude the ritual with the required tag, "in jesus' name we pray".... (is that like the postage stamp?).

ok, i'll kick this one off, and take the most obvious:.

"forgive us where we fall short....".

flamegrilled

Jake - that's funny I must've still been typing the same thought when you were posting yours.

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Add your favorite JW prayer cliche'

by King Solomon in

you know what i'm talking about: the trite, often-repeated phrases that convey the person offering the prayer has drawn a mental blank, and utters these words while their brain desperately searches for the next cliche', so they can conclude the ritual with the required tag, "in jesus' name we pray".... (is that like the postage stamp?).

ok, i'll kick this one off, and take the most obvious:.

"forgive us where we fall short....".

flamegrilled

Lately prayers have become a "how many times can I say Jehovah" during my prayer contest. I seems to just get thrown in like a word whisker like "um" would get used

So true. As if we would do that talking to our father. I don't even call my dad by his first name - I know some do these days. I find it less personal. But even if I did use his real name, if I said to him "and Joe could you do me a favour Joe, and Joe please look after mum because Joe you know she needs supporting ... Joe" he'd think I'd completely gone la-la.

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Cemetery of Forgotten Books

by compound complex in

i wound my way to a place both dark and light .

whose aspect was deeply grave yet of cheerful .

within the heightened stalls were untold rows.

flamegrilled

'The Shadow of the Wind' is an awesome book.

Nice post CC - beautifully written.

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Trinity Brochure

by flamegrilled in

has anybody heard an official reason that the trinity brochure is deceased?.

the gb have been released basically new versions of old brochures with wild abandon, and yet the trinity brochure which has absolutely no equivalent is no longer in print.. why?.

we all know there were dodgy references/quotations therein, but you would think by now the gb would have put some effort into a viable replacement if it were posssible.. nobody seems to be making too much of this as far as i can see.. the trinity brochure was very naughty.

flamegrilled

You might be able to get it if your congregation still has a supply on hand (it was never a fast mover anyway), but I am 99% certain they are not in print anymore.

The GB must have taken an active decision to discontinue it. I am wondering if it is an implicit acknowledgement that the content was wrong, or what other explanation is there? If the blood brochure was just no longer printed with no replacement what would you think?

BlackSheep - good point - the contents appear online. I am wondering if it is a sanitized version or an exact replica of the print copy. I will try to find a hard copy to check.

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Trinity Brochure

by flamegrilled in

has anybody heard an official reason that the trinity brochure is deceased?.

the gb have been released basically new versions of old brochures with wild abandon, and yet the trinity brochure which has absolutely no equivalent is no longer in print.. why?.

we all know there were dodgy references/quotations therein, but you would think by now the gb would have put some effort into a viable replacement if it were posssible.. nobody seems to be making too much of this as far as i can see.. the trinity brochure was very naughty.

flamegrilled

NL - You are correct, I think they must be playing it safe. But then wouldn't it just be easier to leave the Trinity brochure in play. Some people are asking questions as to why it isn't available. (I am still in - I know)

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Trinity Brochure

by flamegrilled in

has anybody heard an official reason that the trinity brochure is deceased?.

the gb have been released basically new versions of old brochures with wild abandon, and yet the trinity brochure which has absolutely no equivalent is no longer in print.. why?.

we all know there were dodgy references/quotations therein, but you would think by now the gb would have put some effort into a viable replacement if it were posssible.. nobody seems to be making too much of this as far as i can see.. the trinity brochure was very naughty.

flamegrilled

Bu seriously speaking there is a void. The Trinity is used as a big differentiator and yet there is nothing of substance to defend the position. Had the brochure been good it should have been an indispensible asset. Many of the faithful saw it that way. Many don't know why it isn't available.

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Trinity Brochure

by flamegrilled in

has anybody heard an official reason that the trinity brochure is deceased?.

the gb have been released basically new versions of old brochures with wild abandon, and yet the trinity brochure which has absolutely no equivalent is no longer in print.. why?.

we all know there were dodgy references/quotations therein, but you would think by now the gb would have put some effort into a viable replacement if it were posssible.. nobody seems to be making too much of this as far as i can see.. the trinity brochure was very naughty.

flamegrilled

Has anybody heard an official reason that the trinity brochure is deceased?

The GB have been released basically new versions of old brochures with wild abandon, and yet the trinity brochure which has absolutely no equivalent is no longer in print.

Why?

We all know there were dodgy references/quotations therein, but you would think by now the GB would have put some effort into a viable replacement IF IT WERE POSSSIBLE.

Nobody seems to be making too much of this as far as I can see.

The Trinity Brochure was very naughty. I think it has been sent to the corner to think about what it has done. But you would think that it was now about time that the GB had found a way to let it out again under an alter ego - no?

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United Nations mentioned in Watchtower publications

by Magi in

hi everyone, i have some questions for anyone that can answer.

i've been doing some research in the whole united nations scandal with the watchtower organization.

and i am wondering what the society's view on the un is as of late.

flamegrilled

See latest study ed - June 15th 2012 pg 12 - UN is still the eighth king.