Posts by redvip2000

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First Proper Chat With the JWs in Almost 11 Years

by passwordprotected in

since disassociating in october 2008, i've had little to no direct contact with the jws, apart from immediate family members (ie my parents).

i've lived in my rented flat since may 2014 and haven't had a knock on the door in that whole time.

until saturday morning.

redvip2000

Great read. I really like to read about experiences with speaking to JWs.

In my experience of talking to them when they come over, they have a narrow scope for a basis of conversation.

They first assume that you believe in God, and next they assume that you believe the bible is true. From that starting point, their training is really geared around convincing you their interpretation is better, as opposed to other christian sects. It's always been like that since the beginning of the Washtowell.

The moment you take it a step back, and claim are you not convinced God exists and that you don't believe the bible is the word of God, their entire baseline is demolished. All of sudden, reading verses from the bible is pointless, since you don't believe in it. What to do? They usually look completely disarmed, perhaps making a tepid argument that revolves around "how did everything come to exist", or "who created everything", as if that helps them in any way.

I usually ask ... "Why do you think the Bible is true?", which really gives them a hard time. Typically they resort to bible prophecies which easily can be made to look silly, when you point how vague they are

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The end is so close now....

by punkofnice in

aren't they tiring out from saying this now?.

a jobo pimi-lite i know has a terminal illness (no names, no pack drill), was told, 'hold on, the end is so close.

the pimi-lite said they will need to hold on to their 'go bags(tm), then!.

redvip2000

In her last weeks she kept asking me to take her home from the hospital because she KNEW that Armageddon was only a matter of weeks away and she wanted to hold on long enough to live into the new system. Her Armageddon came in March 2000 just about 20 years ago. And so it goes.

Yup, new generations of cult members are inducted and they too begin believing that the end is just around the corner. Old members die off certain that they will be in the new system.

The Org relies on this revolving door of hope to keep it afloat.

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Do You Believe In Polls?

by minimus in

jw
friends

when you hear that the polls say.... do you really believe it??.

i think polls can be and often are skewered.

i don’t trust them..

redvip2000

What nonsense.

As if the United States is the only country in the world with states or provinces. Shocking how folks in other countries who live in states or provinces with less people are not rioting on the streets, simply because their votes count exactly the same as everybody else, instead of the US arrangement where some votes count more than others.

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It Looks Like Trump’s Trial In The Senate Will Take Longer Than Was Expected

by minimus in

jw
friends

it looks like more “witnesses “ will be brought in, making this trial who knows how long?.

redvip2000

Simon are you going to allow such racist talk by LV101. Everyone has the right to believe what they want but this has crossed the line. It only demeans your site. Still Totally ADD

Just par for the course. I've said this before and i'll say it again, most (though not all) Trump supporters are unhinged individuals who are generally angry at the world who is passing them by. Even on TV as you compare Trump supporters with others, the Trump supporters always look and speak as if they are just a tad crazy and had too much coffee.

The middle of the country is filled with them ( though I try to resist generalizations)

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Do You Believe In Polls?

by minimus in

jw
friends

when you hear that the polls say.... do you really believe it??.

i think polls can be and often are skewered.

i don’t trust them..

redvip2000

Whatever side of the aisle you are on, if you live in a state with a greater population (California, New York, Texas) your vote counts much less than if you live in a more rural state with less people, such as Wyoming, Nebraska, Kansas, South Dakota, etc.

Yup. And don't expect that to change any time soon.

But wait, if we do away with the electoral college, wouldn't that mean that areas that have a larger concentration of people would have a bigger deciding power than ones in rural areas?? Well...yeah, so what. That is exactly the way it works in every other country in the world. Areas that have more people = more votes = more decision power.

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It Looks Like Trump’s Trial In The Senate Will Take Longer Than Was Expected

by minimus in

jw
friends

it looks like more “witnesses “ will be brought in, making this trial who knows how long?.

redvip2000

Gone are the days where a common desire for truth and transparency would cause folks -- regardless of the political jersey they wear -- to WANT any witnesses that could potentially have relevant information.

Not any more. Now, idiotic political allegiance and the need to not let the other side win anything, or be right about anything, or be recognized to do anything right, has superseded the love for country.

Sad times for our dear country.

Reminds me of sports rivalry in some countries, where supporters would rather see their rivals lose against a foreign team who shares no identity with them, than see their brothers across town win something.

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Watch Tower's Popularity

by dydeonwl in

watchtower has been named as world's most published and circulated magazine in us.

amazing.

source:.

redvip2000

if Time magazine had 8 million employees is many countries, who were forced to read each issue and also pay for several more to give away, they would be the most circulated magazine.

The Org has the luxury of having 8 million slaves who have no choice but to consume their product.

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Watch Tower's Popularity

by dydeonwl in

watchtower has been named as world's most published and circulated magazine in us.

amazing.

source:.

redvip2000

Perhaps in terms of production numbers yes, but then what?

JWs read it I guess, and the rest are stored in piles in their homes and if they are lucky some are handed to home owners who are quick to drop it in the trash bin on their way back to the kitchen.

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Will God resurrect our beloved pets? What do you think?

by Pallbearer in

the watchtower doesn't hold out any hope for us ever seeing our beloved animals again.

i find it very difficult to believe that god -- a god of love -- would refuse to resurrect an animal that we had become so attached to.

over the years i have bonded with no less than four (4) dogs, all of which were/are like family to me.

redvip2000

Nothing in the Bible says we will have pets in heaven to my knowledge. Jesus did not die for them individual basis

The minimum Jellohoba could have done is to send down a poodle with a hippie mentality, that could cure rabies, walk on water, and ultimately be euthanized so that all dog sins be forgiven.

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Flood over everest

by road to nowhere in

meeting part comment on how the flood covered everest.

that is even more ignorant than mountains being pushed up and eroding in a few thousand years.

and it wasnt cold either.. i should have commented on the bristlecone in the awake that survived the flood.

redvip2000

I remember an elder giving a talk about the bible's account of the flood can be substantiated by science in that archaeologists found sea shells on the highest parts of the Himalayas surrounding Everest . True but he didn't mention that the sea shells and fossils were feet thick indicating that the ground was once an ocean floor bed.

Take this with a grain of salt as i'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure that if there was a massive downpour like that, you would not all of a sudden see sea shells on top of mountains. Sea shells don't swim around in that manner. It would most likely take thousands of years for sea shell populations to make their way that high