Posts by redvip2000

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Meetings to Continue forever! Another reason you DON'T want to live in the NEW ORDER

by LostGeneration in

pulled this gem from the 2013 calendar.

well, at least you get to have outdoor meetings in the mountains of south america with touchans flying around.

no more windowless kingdom halls!

redvip2000

I'm going to offer a different angle here, although probably not accurate, i'll say it anyway.

I've been looking at the latest images in Watchtower literature, and it seems that most of these "happy" and "joyfull" people are more and more ethnic-type (pardon the idiotic term) characters.

I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that the fastest growing group of JWs in this country are the immigrant population. Corporations do this regularly when they "tune" their advertising to their target audience - let's say toyota always uses a young male, mid 20's, happy-go-lucky, with colorful clothes as the driver of their new sporty coupe in their ads.

Again, it's probably a stretch to offer this theory, but i'm really wondering if there is a strategy behind it.

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The BEST way to "wake up" a JW

by Phizzy in

we have debated this over many years and in many threads, as all of us have family and/or former friends still in.

it seems that there is no "best" way to wake up a jw, it is as elusive as the "true" religion it seems.. but a comment made by poster "emery" on another thread stood out to me, he/she said :.

"what i have gathered is that most witnesses seem to be in it for emotional reasons.

redvip2000

I completely agree with the idea that it is the emotional aspect of the brotherhood that is the key in waking someone up. Trying to convince a JW with evidence is almost like trying to convince a woman that her BF is a piece of $hit while she is still in love with him. She simply doesn't see it, or finds ways to reason around it.

Time after time i have seen key moments in people's lives that become the deciding factor in "waking up". In my case, it was when i got married. Nearly every "brother" (many close friends) i invited to my wedding declined the invitation because i was beginning to miss a lot of meetings and stopped preaching for personal reasons. That made me see the conditional love inside the congregation which brought a lot of questions to my mind.

Another recent one, was an elder i knew that got separated (his wife was nuts). Because of this he was demoted from his position. (key moment). Within a few months he was gone from the organization.

Yet another was a brother who insisted he was annointed and partook of the emblems. The elders didn't believe he was and so advised him that perhaps he should think twice about doing it (key moment). Within a few months, he was gone from the organization.

It is these key moments that mess with your emotions that become the click in your brain that finally allows the wheels to start turning and make you think about the organization.

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A picture so outrageous, it deserves its own thread...

by cedars in

i mean no disrespect to sd-7 or his fine thread on which this picture has already featured, but i think it is just so ridiculous that it deserves a thread all of its own.. lurkers and apologists, this is how your precious organization views itself.... behold the madness.... .

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cedars.

redvip2000

This picture is in fact very significant.

I find it absurd that someone here is trying to make the point that if you try to make a point to a JW using this picture, that they will dismiss it. What is the surprise there? They already dismiss many more lines of evidence which are even more disturbing. That is not the point. The point is what this picture shows to the rest of us, who are open minded enough to read between the lines.

The Watchtower society has always been ( and continues to be) very careful and thoughtful about the images they insert in their magazines, so you can be sure that every aspect of this image was made in a deliberate way in order to convey something - a thought, a concept, a way of looking at things.

I consider this a borderline subliminal message, and to me personally it is obvious that the intention here is to advance (and reinforce) the idea of who mediates the relationship between mankind and God, and although when asked, most JWs will say Jesus, this picture serves to show that the GB are as important, and the only way to serve Jehovah.

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Bethel perfection bubble burst

by redvip2000 in

just got back from florida where i spent the holidays with family.

about half are jdubs.. this year the prevalent atmosphere of superiority from the jw side of the family was totally toned down.

one of my cousins, a bethelite in upstate ny bethel along with his wife, found out that the wife was having an affair with a young bethelite "brother".

redvip2000

"Basically, you can only monitor visits to your own website/servers. Bethel won't have a clue who is visiting apostate sites"

This is not accurate at all. Most organizations will run a proxy server in their network, and any decent proxy server will have internet filtering, which not only controls access to specific URLS, but most importantly keep logs of any URLs visited.

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Bethel perfection bubble burst

by redvip2000 in

just got back from florida where i spent the holidays with family.

about half are jdubs.. this year the prevalent atmosphere of superiority from the jw side of the family was totally toned down.

one of my cousins, a bethelite in upstate ny bethel along with his wife, found out that the wife was having an affair with a young bethelite "brother".

redvip2000

For those who are asking more details about this, i can tell you that he jumped in front of a train in Elizabeth, NJ and this was maybe 2 months ago. He was 21. I cannot provide names for privacy concerns.

Incredibly, my cousin was willing to take her back even after all this, but she says she is tired of having her life micro-managed and is looking for some freedom. She wants to be "out there" . I thought for sure he would be asked to leave Bethel, but it seems that might not be happening.

BTW, on a side note, he works in the IT dept at bethel, and he was telling me that the IT Dept monitors all the computers for downloads and visits to improper and apostate websites, and that they also monitor who downloads their literature from the organization's website.

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New Jehovah

by LostGeneration in

redvip2000

@Jgnat....priceless.

This image is a disgrace. More and more the focus is on subjection to the organization. Jesus has been relegated to a nobody in the JW (un)christian organization.

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Bethel perfection bubble burst

by redvip2000 in

just got back from florida where i spent the holidays with family.

about half are jdubs.. this year the prevalent atmosphere of superiority from the jw side of the family was totally toned down.

one of my cousins, a bethelite in upstate ny bethel along with his wife, found out that the wife was having an affair with a young bethelite "brother".

redvip2000

Just got back from Florida where i spent the holidays with family. About half are Jdubs.

This year the prevalent atmosphere of superiority from the JW side of the family was totally toned down. One of my cousins, a Bethelite in upstate NY Bethel along with his wife, found out that the wife was having an affair with a young bethelite "brother". Once the $hit hit the fan, all hell broke lose - the young bethelite jumped in front of a train and killed himself after being disfellowshipped.

Apparently when he was kicked out of bethel and Dfed, his parents gave him a really hard time and turned their backs on him along with the rest of the "brothers"..AHHH the love.. So the kid, in desperation and with no one to turn to, took his own life. The wife was also kicked out of bethel and D-fed after admitting that she had been wasting her life living there instead of pursuing her interests in fashion.

Although this sad episode brought a glimpse of humanity and reality to the typical delusional way Jdubs look a the organization and especially bethel, it didn't take long for the comments about "Jehovah is cleaning is organization" to come out. It seems that everything can be use to support the idea that Jehovah is truly blessing the organization - even this.

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If the GB really were.......

by pontoon in

........ really interested in preaching and teaching the "truth" they would divide themselves up and move to parts of the world where the truth is supposedly taking hold.

don't think it would help increase too much but just think what a motivation and inspiritation it would be to the witnesses in those places.

like jesus pounding dirt with his apostles.

redvip2000

They would also take all of the money that they have invested and any profit that they are getting from real estate sales to have a world wide urgent campaign that the "the end " is around the corner, including radio ads, TV ads and billboards.

The fact that it's business as usual, clearly shows that they don't really believe what they preach.

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First time back to the king dumb hall in a year!

by BreathoftheIndianNose in

jw
friends

hey everyone,.

so it's been over a year and this saturday i'm going to the hall.

can you help to prep me for what sort of emotions and feelings might come rushing in?

redvip2000

I honestly think it will be fine. Yes you will be asked "where have you been" and "when are you coming back" but simply prepare a reasonable and short answer and make a plan to switch topic as soon as you can.

In my experience as a ex-JW, current members seem to be much more friendly at the KH, than if you see them on the street or store. My guess is that the most unconfortable moments will be when facing your family.

I have been to a few KH in the last years due to invitations from friends as a pre-dinner meeting, but it was never the KH i attended so i didn't have to face "old friends".

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Yahoo News gives JWs a mention

by Splash in

under the topic of failed end of the world predictions, jws 1914 date gets outed:.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/mayan-apocalypse-2012--five-doomsdays-that-never-happened-143929918.html.

splash.

redvip2000

How anybody can read the writings of Charles Russell and be convinced that the men had some sort of insight into the future is ludicrous. To date i am not aware of anything he tried to predict that actually came true. Some of his reasonings and interpretations of bible events are comparable to biblical "snake oil" and in reality as flawed as the Watchtower society is in it's teachings, even they are enbarassed to be associated too closely with Russell, and one can clearly see why.

The man was evidently honest and decent, but insightful? Enlightened? Clearly not.