Posts by redvip2000

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What changes are on the way?

by insearchoftruth in

i was listening to the co talk to my wife’s congregation on sunday and pretty much the complete talk was justifying doctrinal and organizational changes and pretty much preparing the ‘rank and file’ for upcoming changes.

anyone on hear have any insight of what ‘new light’ is coming in the future?.

redvip2000

You miss the point: 586 is not supported by the Bible as the destruction of Jerusalem.

Really? are we really turning this into a 1914 debate?

Folks, this 607 belief as been debunked to death. No, nothing happened in 607, and everybody knows it.

Who cares if the bible doesn't support it? The bible is not a history book.

There is too much information to confirm REAL historic dates, not fake 607 dates.

The WT will maintain this lie until there is no other choice.

I remember when I first read "the gentile times reconsidered" and half way through the book and I was already beyond convinced that the WT was lying about this.

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Open KHs again.

by asp59 in

people you think gb going against holy spirit when they opening up kingdom halls again?

clearly this is not a arrangement that's being bless anymore.

there's must be s reason for that.

redvip2000

Apparently Jellohoba who evidently created the virus is now not able to stop it. Isn't it amazing that a select group of people that have the protection of the creator of the universe, have no choice but to rely on pesky human prevention guidelines to be safe.

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My last conversation with a JW

by LoveUniHateExams in

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so, i got to thinking about the last time i spoke to a jw.. i was still living down south, june or july 2012.. and i saw this brother in my local high street.

he was a few years younger than me - in his late teens and my early twenties we used to go out to pubs and get smashed.

now this guy starts acting super spiritual - he sees me and after exchanging pleasantries he starts going on about armageddon and how the end is so close.

redvip2000

"Simply pretending Jehovah doesn't exist or that he allows/ approves you to fulfill your selfish desires will bring a curse (Deut. 28, Ps. 53) - only he can stop it."

Well it seems the answer is provided. "only he can stop it", which is to say you can't. Therefore why worry about it? You can just reply and say that in this case, you'll wait for Jellohoba to do something about it.

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Good news and bad news --- pandemic and Kingdom Halls.

by pistolpete in

u/aposta-fish from exjw reddit.

good news bad news pandemic and kingdom halls.. first the bad news, coming out of israel - one of the first countries to push total vaccination.

the news is the vaccine especially the pfizer one looks like it wears off and hospital rates have gone up for those that have been vaccinated.

redvip2000

Hey Jellohoba had a plan, which I think was for JWs to preach so the end could come.

tiny corona virus: 1 big powerful Jellohoba : 0

For someone who could fly polar bears and kangaroos to the Middle East to stuff them in an Ark, it sure seems like Jellohoba is not able to defeat this microscopic creature.

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This is what - just about every Border in the United States looks like today.

by pistolpete in

biden ordered the ffa to stop all cameras from taking pictures or recording this mess.. the doj is fighting to allow millions of immigrants into the country with covid.

all immigrants don't have to take the vaccine or be tested.. terrorists from countries that hate america are entering the country.. guns are disappearing from the local stores, everyone is buying them out.

there is no doubt that this administration wants to destroy america.

redvip2000

I don’t know of anyone in my family ancestry who hasn’t in some way or another contributed to the well being of the country

So what? I guess next time a homeless person opens a door for you, you become immediately obligated to welcome 100 homeless people into your home.

But you won't, because pretending to be virtuous and accepting makes you feel warm and fuzzy as long as it's someone else's problem. You see, people that are in favor of illegal uncontrolled immigration should be somehow forced to actually put some skin in the game. Open you house to a few illegals, contribute directly from your salary to a fund to house and feed them and actually see that amount evaporate every month.

It's amazing when people try to boast their goodness as long as it doesn't really concern them.

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Get Vaccinated or Get laid Off

by StephaneLaliberte in

i’m personally for the vaccine, took two shots and would take a third if asked.

but i know a friend of mine that doesn’t want to take the vaccine who works for the government and now is faced with this choice: get vaccinated or get laid off.

i don’t agree with this measure as it is totalitarian and runs against my core belief in individual freedom.. now, with that being said, what i don’t understand is that my friend still won’t get vaccinated.

redvip2000

Even if they mandate it, many people will just claim they took it when they didn't.

At my company it is required. How do you prove it? Well login to this portal, you are presented with a question that says "Please confirm you are vaccinated". Click yes, SUBMIT.

Done. It's as secure as the elections.

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If you think Watchtower is disappearing any time soon…

by Reservations in

you are sadly mistaken.. i hear people say it on here all the time, and dare i say his name *cough* lloyd evans *cough* has said it a number of times, that watchtower is running scared and watchtower is in decline….. we need to put in perspective the decrease from the 2020 report.

if we calculate a yearly -0.6 decrease over a 10 year period from 2020 figures it leaves us the grand total number of witnesses of:.

by 2030: - 7,933,479. by 2040: - 7,471,357. by 2050: - 7,036,154. i agree that this is a significant decrease, but let’s not kid ourselves, the wt organisation will still be alive and well even with an annual 0.6% loss.

redvip2000

We need to put in perspective the decrease from the 2020 report. It was 0.6%

Here is the thing. First the decline depends on the children of existing Jdubs, because the only people getting baptized are the kids. Now, we know that more and more kids are opting not to join, so we know that over a longer period of time, the decline will accentuate -- no doubt about it.

Another thing is that unfortunately we have to rely on the Org's numbers to see this, and we know the Org hates showing anything negative. So if the numbers show 0.6% decline, this likely means a lot more considering the creative numbers massaging that the Org does. If the numbers become too bad, I suspect the Org will stop reporting altogether under some BS reason.

I suspect the Zoom thing is bad for the Org. The social connection is the one thing holding the house of cards together and given enough time, Zoom won't cut it anymore. The Org will need to resume in person meetings and if they don't, this will spell disaster for them.

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Jehovah GOD a failed GOD in many respects.

by smiddy3 in

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isn`t there enough evidence to acknowledge the god of the bible has been a failure ?according to wt / jw teachings ?.

a god that has supposed to have created the visible universe and everything in it ?.

some points where i would challenge that from an earthlings point of view using the bible if only in paraphrase.. doesn`t god create everything perfect ?

redvip2000

Not only that, it allows the slave owners to beat their slaves. The Bible can be banned for this one reason

How about the wonderful nugget of the bible where god tells its armies that they should kill every man, woman, child and animal from a conquered village, but that the virgin girls could be spared and taken alive.

I wonder why....

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Even if God exists…….

by snare&racket in

i’m an atheist.. let’s assume i am wrong, i am willing to be.. let’s give people a god, let’s even make him the god of the bible…... does he deserve to be worshipped and obeyed?

if so, why does his abhorrent actions not morally make you question allegiance to him?.

does his authority alone allow him to murder and drown and order war, to throw people into a lake of fire?.

redvip2000

Rules for the Creator and for us are different. He created everything and everything belongs to him. We are organisms in a petri dish. The scientist use, discard or experiment to his heart's content. Then he gets rid of it.

yeah but scientists don't use thinking human beings in his experiments. That would be considered criminal.

So if Jellohoba is using humans for an experiment, then he is a monster with no ethical concerns.

Just accept the fact that there is no god. Or if there is, he doesn't give a shit at all.

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Letter from Mother: "...go right ahead on death's road and take your kids with you."

by silentbuddha in

so my jw father is sick.

my mother uses the opportunity to try and preach to my 16 year old daughter.

i simply told my mother to: "please refrain from trying to lure *my daughter* in with jehovah's witness questioning.

redvip2000

Perhaps it doesn't work for everybody, but in my case I keep challenging my mother with facts. My mother is exactly this type as well, perhaps not as combative.

One of the last times she tried to preach to me, I simply told her that according to the Org, the world governments will shut down organized religion and then eventually come after Jdubs. I told her that for this to happen we will need to see freedom of religion be abolished, change in constitutions in many different countries. And that once that happens, at least we'll know the Org will be right about something and I'll consider coming back. Now, of course none of that will happen.

So now, when she tries to preach I simply point to that. That I'm still waiting for this to happen, and this has been effective in pushing back and shutting it down. In her mind, she probably reluctantly admits that those things do need to happen first and they are not happening.