Posts by redvip2000

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Breaking news - no more reporting

by wannaexit in

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i didint search to see if its been talked about.

big news for jws sheeple , no more reporting.

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redvip2000

Predictable. If the numbers were great they wouldn't do this. The trend is to stop counting everything (except money) to hide the decline.

The Org is always right. Before Jws would defend this saying that Jellohoba wants his people to stay organized, reports are needed, bla bla bla.. Now i'm sure they will defend this too saying that only Jellohoba needs to keep track, we need to simplify things bla bla bla.

I always thought that eventually they would scrap preaching entirely, but with this move, they actually don't need to do that. They are basically saying..."preach if you want to preach, we don't care".

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If JW is not the truth, then what is the true religion?

by TxNVSue2023 in

even though i'm disfellowshiped ( & i belive wrongfully so).

i still belive this is the truth.

i have been d'f for about 8 months now and working on reinstatement.

redvip2000

@TxNVSue2023

Most of us have gone through that journey. When I first stopped attending, I still thought the Org was the truth, though I saw holes in the doctrine, and I asked the same question of who else is better.

Then eventually I came to the conclusion JWs were not the truth, and there was probably no true religion, but I believed in God, so I decided I would go to a non-denomination church that only taught the bible.

Then I realized it didn't make sense to just assume the Bible was truth, because the only reason I believed in it was because I had been born in the West. If I had been born in the middle east I probably woudn't, so I decided I had to take a step back and stop assuming and actual question the teachings of the bible.

Finally after some years of this journey, I had no resort but to finally admit there was no real holy book, and no evidence that God even exists.

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Sign of the Last Days

by Fisherman in

in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

redvip2000

In that passage Jesus is basically talking about people if you read it. In that specific piece, the word he used I believe is translated as "agitations". Now, at some point some translators started using "earthquakes"

It doesnt' really fit with the passage. It makes a lot more sense to think that he meant there would be agitations of people, or people being agitated. That would fit a lot better with the things he was describing.

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Retirement savings

by TxNVSue2023 in

what's the current jw stance on retirement savings?

i know it changed.

pre1975 it was an attitude of "don't worry about retirement, this system is ending soon".

redvip2000

I've mentioned this before to people I know. If JWs really really believed in what they teach, they would sell their homes and plan to leave the last few years on savings in preparation for the big A.

Instead they instinctively know it's all BS, or at very best they are not really convinced it's true.

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And the lion shall eat straw like the ox

by Anony Mous in

the above verse is often quoted by jws both in general as a response to the idea of a deathless paradise and/or those promoting vegetarianism or veganism.. a letter in animal frontiers co-signed by nearly a thousand scientists is now warning that meat is crucial for a healthy lifestyle and livestock farming is too important to 'become the victim of zealotry'.. they stated the fact that most humans require the nutrients from eggs, meat and dairy and that plant based alternatives are at least 4x more expensive (which implies much higher energy consumption in the process) and not scalable and outright dangerous to global health to support a large population shift towards them.. they also called out several recent papers for misleading information and even called for the outright retraction of one that said meat substitutions are a viable alternative.. not sure what the modern jw view on this is, i know many people in the borg promoted it back in the day.

just goes to show that science does not support the notion of a global vegan diet..

redvip2000

I remember when I was studying to be a JW, I had this thought about how many animals are perfectly adapted to eat meat and be hunters. When I asked my bible study conductor why these animals are built to hunt and eat meat he turn to me and said... "you know, sometimes you just have to have faith, and not question everything".

That should be been my queue to run away quickly.

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Why are JW's THIS blind?

by BoogerMan in

i had a conversation about this 22 carat gold contradiction with a couple of zealous jw's a couple of days ago.. even their personal "explanations" contradicted each other as they tried justify their cognitive dissonance!.

an absolute delight to witness such absurdity.. "after all, no one will be allowed to practice vile things in the new world.

the unrighteous must have practiced these vile things [john 5:29] before their death.

redvip2000

I also don't see a contradiction.

One paragraph is saying that nobody will be allowed to practice vile things in the new world. But that often means if you do do something vile, then you will be punished, putting an end to it.

If a mayor says.. " I will not allow people in my administration to be corrupt", he is not really saying he can guarantee 100% that nobody can be corrupt, but instead is probably saying he will not tolerate it.

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Predict JW life in future

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

a sister said the other day at the ministry group “”what is all this talk that the end is still some way off” she said she has been waiting for decades and she was told there is no way it would take this long.

some others said in an annoyed kind of way yes they would have made different decisions decades ago if they knew the end still would not have come by 2023.. how will the majority react in a few more decades time when the end still hasn’t come?.

why all that talk of sense of urgency decades ago?.

redvip2000

Sometimes we forget that this religion has been around for 100+ years.

Other JWs decades ago also felt the the same way as they saw the decades go by. But guess what, they are gone and a new batch of Jdubs were born and got on the cult train.

It's a revolving door. That sister will die wondering where is the end, and there is someone being born today who is on it's way to becoming a pioneer

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Ramapo

by Mit123 in

how much is ramapo going to cost?

my daughter in africa meets in a cow shed for her meetings.

i wonder how many khs in africa they could build if they dropped ramapo?.

redvip2000

Would love to ask a GB member on whether to go ahead with Ramapo or not….what would Jesus do in this situation?

Pretty sure they would give you the ol'runaround BS about the times being different. In Geeshush time the priority was different. Now the biggest priority is to organize the preaching work because the world is ending bla bla bla. Jellohoba will resolve all poverty in the new system, bla bla bla.

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How many still getting boosters?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

either you think the governing body was correct giving direction to be fully vaccinated and do you will keep getting the boosters, or.... if you don’t think the boosters are safe and you decide not to keep getting them then you are admitting that the direction was wrong.. if the direction was indeed harming brothers and sister who kept going to get these injections because of the covid updates then this is a huge wake up call?.

how could this direction from the gb who are i doubt jehovah give such harmful direction?.

redvip2000

I will not contribute to the Pfizer executive retirement fund any more. I took the two doses under protest, because my employer forced me to. But that's it.

Now, if the government forced Pfizer to produce and sell the vaccine at cost with the justification that there should be no profit from the pandemic, you could almost certainly bet that there would be zero push to take these endless boosters. In fact, I'm pretty sure they would be instead saying that only the people at highest risk level should take the vaccine.

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Over 1,000 Days since Stephen Lett said this:

by Chevelle in

https://youtu.be/jxumoix1rew.

“and in revelation chapter 6, the ride of the fourth horseman includes mention of deadly plague.

so the events unfolding around us are making clearer than ever that we’re living in the final part of the last days.

redvip2000

And soon we'll be at the last part of the last part of the last part of the very very very last part of the last days. Of course that will happen before the very last day.

The sad thing that is they will find a way to stretch that indefinitely.