i've been paying very close attention to talks ever since waking up.
i probably pay more attention now than i ever did while i was sleeping.
anyway, i think there are a lot of brothers who are awake, and they try their best to go against the grain while up on that stage.
When I first woke up I slipped a number of things in to answers, one I remember doing was the Orgs involvement in the U.N as a N.G.O
The Bro taking the Meeting looked a bit worried by my words, but could really say nothing as he obviously had no idea about the scandal, so could not gainsay my comment.
I do hope these Speakers are PIMO, and will soon leave, part of my motive for still attending about a year after I woke up was the desire to help others do so, without success it seems.
malaise according to the cambridge dictionary:.
a general feeling of being ill or having no energy, or an uncomfortable feeling that something is wrong, especially with society, and that you cannot change the situation.
where the dictionary says society, read "the society"........... is there a malaise in the jw world?
" Malaise according to the Cambridge Dictionary:
a general feeling of being ill or having no energy, or an uncomfortable feeling that something is wrong, especially with society, and that you cannot change the situation "
I think I suffered greatly from this when I was in, as did many many others. A lot in my Congregation consulted their Doctor about this, and one said " What is wrong with you people ?" He was getting a disproportionate number of J.W's presenting with the problem.
I think it was the root cause of my ever worsening depression, which only started to get better the day I left. I began to feel true happiness for the first time in my life !
has anyone ever shown a jw that came to your door the bite model of a cult?
what happened?
i am thinking of using that strategy if one comes a' knocking..
I have used the BITE definition of the Org's technique to explain quickly to members of the Public how they achieve their extreme control of their members.
Most are astounded that the average J.W puts up with it and does not think for themselves. I have to then explain the actual method used to stop the J.W using her/his reasoning ability.
The Org is an Authoritarian Mind Control group for sure. The average J.W is an unthinking drone, callously controlled and used for making or producing converts and thus more contributors to the continuation of the Scam posing as a religion.
Of course, the Org is not unique, many religions and cults use this method, as does, ( and forgive me for using a hackneyed example), North Korea.
page 21 of the watchtower’s 2010 brochure, “the origin of life” says of the biologist.
“francis crick … decided that dna is far too organized to have come about through undirected events”.. i cannot find this quotation being made in writing by crick himself.. the wts’s brochure refers to the book, “the search for extraterrestrial intelligence – a philosophical inquiry”, by david lamb but it is not clear to me that the brochure is saying this view by crick is being cited in lamb's book.. where will i be able to read this statement being made by francis crick?.
and while we are looking at that wts brochure, page 16 makes some interesting claims about teaspoons.
This may help you Doug,
I don't know who wrote the whole Paper this is from, or where I got it from, but I will e-mail you the whole thing, it is an interesting read ! here is the relevant paragraph :
" The concluding paragraphs of this subsection of TOL are devoted to misrepresenting a famous scientist and irrelevantly quoting a well known philosopher. A decades-old book authored by Francis Crick detailing directed panspermia, the idea that genetic material was launched to Earth by intelligent extraterrestrials, is used to erect a weak criticism of any theory about the natural origin of DNA. Crick’s ideas on this subject were never widely accepted among scientists, and even Crick himself later withdrew his criticisms of origin of life research in light of progress in the field. [67] Another poorly aimed rhetorical dart is the anecdotal change of heart by former atheist philosopher Anthony Flew. Flew being a philosopher and not a biologist, his personal views regarding the origin of DNA have little weight in a largely technical scientific discussion." ( Another example of the JW writer deliberately misquoting, i.e obfuscating the argument, or more succinctly, telling lies)
Good to see you are still firing on all cylinders !
were you so indoctrinated that you just couldn’t leave?
was it due to family pressure?
was it your friendships that you didn’t want to lose?
I have asked myself that question many times, and fervently wish I had left decades before I did. The Mind Control exercised upon a born in like me is something that is quite incredible.
Questions that one has about the teachings are filed away deep in the recesses of your mind,believing that " Jehovah" will answer them one day, the many glaring faults and sins of individual J.W's are excused as " imperfection" and trust in, and loyalty to, the Governing Body becomes a seemingly natural thing.
Combine the above with the very naive belief that I had that it must be god's Org because it had his name upon it, and perhaps you can allow me some slack for not waking up until I was in my late 50's.
Oh how different, how much better, and happier, my life would have been if I had awoken earlier !
blondie’s first thoughts review 7-21-2019 wt study (may 2019, pages 14-19 (comfort abuse victims!?).
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-may-2019/comfort-victims-of-abuse/.
excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .
Yet again the JW Org demonstrates that they have no love or empathy, and no necessary knowledge or skills for dealing with such a difficult problem as bringing comfort and relief to the poor victims of abuse.
This is an area for expert help, and there seems to be no mention of this in the Article ? ( I have only read Blondie's comments, not the actual Article, I don't want to vomit, so won't read it )
This is SERIOUS , many victims of all types of Abuse, end up with suicidal depression, their lives are at risk !!
The JW Org "advice" is totally, or more accurately criminally, inadequate, and seems simply designed to convince the average JW that the Org cares, which it does not, only about $$$.
with all the scandals of the organization, it would .
be sound and logical from a human or strategic viewpoint,.
that they loosen the reins of control and be more honest with its members.
I agree with LV101, the very strict control of information that filters through to the J.W "mind" makes waking up, sadly, a rarity, despite the ease with which JW's could find out the real truth about their org.
The fear of Apostates, and the feeling of being "loyal to Jehovah" means that even when Truth comes to a JW they reject it as " Apostate Lies" or " Persecution".
They are being pressed in many ways though, the frequency of stories about Abuse in the Org, and also the hardening of the Public toward their Door to Door work, which I detect locally, a number of people telling me they are annoyed by the JW presumption that it is O.K to come and shove their religion down the throat of a Householder without an invite.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/jehovah-s-witness-who-posted-criticisms-on-13855357.php.
i had this article pop up about the darksilver case.
it says a federal magistrate in san francisco has now ruled that darksilver can remain anonymous but then it says except for identification to lawyers for the religion’s watchtower publication.
I agree with LV101 " they know they're part of a charlatan conglomerate."
It is easy to see this, whatever rubbish, lies, half truths, obfuscations etc the Writing Department give them to spout, they dutifully do so. They MUST be aware of what they are doing, even if they have few sparking brain cells. They cannot think a God of Truth would have anything to do with such open chicanery.
They are simply businessmen keeping their life style going, by any means. As are all organized religions of course
there are some jws that are calling it quits after today's watchtower study.
experiences are coming in on reddit.. here is one experience caught on video.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3_ndjphv1w.
here is another.. https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/cd2y97/wifes_done_with_wt/.
C.T Russell pointed out that the Devil spoke truth on occasion, and even if it was the Devil that did that, what he said was still truth. (I think from memory he was commenting on the temptation of J.C in the Wilderness)
How different was CTR's thinking from the JW's attitude today, attack the source, ignore the truth.
in 1900 the estimated population of the world was 1,610,625,741.
the population of christians worldwide was around 34.5% of world population..
the population of atheist was -% or not even 1% of the world population.
I think the O.P makes a good point about the availability and usage of the Internet having a huge effect upon people's thinking.
Even those believers not actually inclined to question their beliefs, when confronted with a challenge from the non Theist or non believer will go to the Net to check for Info. as it is so easy to do so.
With Education, via the net eventually becoming a Worldwide thing, believers to a degree, and supporters of Religion, to a greater degree, will decline dramatically. We have seen this in the USA and Europe, more people are of " No Religion" than ever before, some still believe in some way, a good percentage are Atheists.
We can expect a fight back from Organized Religion, their business is being threatened. Their best argument is spouted by the Church of England ( and others) that Science ( i.e Truth) explains the "How", Religion explains the "Why". Of course their explanations of the "Why" are not Scientific, but pure fantasy.
Many people will come to the conclusion that not just the Bible, but all Religion is from Man.
