Oh come on everybody, just tell Scholar that he and the JW/WT are right, Jerusalem fell in 607BCE and Jesus sat on his Throne in 1914. Just agree with his nonsense, and maybe he will go elsewhere, instead of clogging up this place, where once upon a time we had sensible debates.
Posts by Phizzy
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277Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?
by Doug Mason ini came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .
these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.
(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.
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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?
by Doug Mason ini came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .
these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.
(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.
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Phizzy
The Dead Sea Scrolls and other sources make it plain that Nabonidus could well be the king who Daniel was thinking of, he had a long spell away from the throne, in Tayma, possibly as long as ten years, though Daniels use of seven would suit his style.
Nabondus' son WAS called Belshazzar. Nubuchadnezzar's son was Evil Merodach. Nebuchadnezzar did not ascend the throne until 605BCE.
Many facts and much evidence pertains against the JW Org view of History.
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Phizzy
From the Reddit report :
" Joel 2 now refers to the “Babylonians”, the coalition of nations that will try to destroy God’s people. The context of Joel chapter 2 points the time period of fulfillment to Jehovah’s Day in the Great Tribulation and how God will save his people."
I guess this will be expanded upon to explain why the "nations" are all taking action against the Org because of their inexcusable and terrible record on Abuse, and their total lack of care for the vulnerable, and care or love toward the victims. It will be spun as a plot to destroy the Org, and as a sign of the closeness of the " Great Tribulation".
It will be a Great Tribulation for the Org's Bank Account, and rightly so.
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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?
by Doug Mason ini came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .
these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.
(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.
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Phizzy
I did warn earlier in this Thread, do not feed the Troll !!
"Scholar" is not interested in what the Bible writers really said. His/Her ? only interest is to establish some kind of sense for the mess that is the JW interpretation of the Bible. Facts and Evidence, as usual, and even less the research of real Scholars, mean nothing to "Scholar".
Again, do not waste your time on trying to convince someone who has no interest in Truth.
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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?
by Doug Mason ini came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .
these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.
(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.
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Phizzy
Good points Shepherdless, just a note for JW's, there is no such thing as " Bible Chronology", in the sense of historically testable and verifiable stuff.
There is only accepted history and Chronology to work from, JW Org recognizes this of course, and works from the destruction of Babylon, 539 B.C.E, for a lot of its very doubtful calculations. Like a lot of Bible believers who like to take it as almost literal, and accurate, they then struggle to make the Bible's claims fit actual History.
And the Bible certainly does NOT say Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 B.C.E ( see above Posts).
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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?
by Doug Mason ini came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .
these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.
(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.
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Phizzy
Oh Jeez, "Scholar" is back, peddling the same old nonsense that has been debunked on here so often, don't engage with the Troll.
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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?
by Doug Mason ini came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .
these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.
(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.
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Phizzy
Thanks Doug,
That is a question that has long occurred to me, as I have seen both dates mentioned, usually together as in " 587 or 586 BCE " or sometimes as 587/586 BCE. I wondered where the doubt as to pinpointing the exact date came from, so thank you for your research and for Posting it here.
Of course this is of no huge importance to most people, even serious Scholars of the Bible perhaps, but if one gets in to a discussion with a believing J.W, to have a hint of doubt, even a month or two, is something they will latch on to to try to discredit the proof. Of course in doing so they would still be ignoring the circa 20 year error in their own organizations spurious and ridiculous claim about the date of Jerusalem's destruction.
If my memory serves, a Poster on here some years ago, Ann O'Mally (I think that name is a pun !) showed that the Babylonian Clay tablets we have about their Astronomical calculations prove the year was 587 BCE too.
Thank you again.
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JW.Org data
by snare&racket into think they have hung the blue and white sign on every building they own in the world and that this was a publicity campaign with the presumed backing of the god of the universe....... it's not going well.. despite the 8.5 million followers, who through design have to visit the site......it isn't even in the top ten..... top fifty..... top one hundred ......top two hundred visited sites globally.. users on average click through 7 pages per visit and don't stay long, averaging about a minute a page.. as for the data on its search over time 'jw.org' is now googled globally at a rate less than 25% of its peak and is usually associated for a search for the daily text.. .
between this and the carts, the only message getting through to real people is 'child abuse' and that woman from king of queens taking an interest!.
i sincerely think we are seeing evidence of what has been anecdotal decline...... waited long enough for it!.
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A small diversion from the main Topic, but a while ago I told a friend that I had to attend a Funeral in a certain locality, " Oh is that at such and such Church ?" he asked, I said no "at the local J.W one", he said "exactly where is that then ?" so I told him, and he said " Oh I thought that was a Business premises, with that Logo on it".
Another FAIL for JW Org, of course he was right, it is a Business Premises !
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Thirty years a tower slave
by rickroll ini was with my brother in law when we were in service and given this book.
i have posted on this before but it got me to thinking.
it was taken from us by the local elder we talk to about it.
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Phizzy
Doesn't Schnell's book end by saying something like if he saw the predictions from JW's about 1975 and Armageddon come true he would not be surprised ? if I am thinking about the right book ?
If so, he, or the Author of the book I am thinking about, lost all credibility with us JW's who read it at the time. If he had spent more effort, and found out and exposed the JW teachings as being in error, he would have done some good, and maybe I would have got out Decades earlier !
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My appreciation e-mail to Irwin Zalkin Law firm ( Child abuse )
by smiddy3 inhi friends ,i sent an e-mail to the irwin zalkin law firm in the usa ,i`m in australia ,thanking them for going to bat for all those sexually abused in the jehovah`s witness religion.. just letting them know that what they are achieving is not going unnoticed by ex -jw`s around the world with the success they are having and hopefully will continue to do.. that was yesterday .. today i received a reply ,thanking me for my kind words ,and that they are doing the best they can.. it was nice for such a prompt reply.. i just thought i would share that with you all..
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Phizzy
Finky's Post began " The only way the WTS/JWorg. can impede pedophilia happening within the organization......." and I agree with the rest of his Post.
But there is a further way to impede Abuse of the vulnerable happening, and also having the benefit of stopping Litigation against J.W Org, and that would be for a simple programme of protection to be set up.
This is something every Congregation, no matter what size could do.
Nearly all Sporting Clubs and other Associations have adopted the following, my own small village Club included.
Any vulnerable person, Child ( i.e under 18) or Adult has to be accompanied by a " Chaperone", either a parent or someone appointed by a Parent or Guardian. If this is not possible to arrange, the vulnerable person CANNOT attend a function or event or anything at the Club. Each Club has an appointed Officer or Officers in charge of seeing the Protection Programme is working, and that Members adhere to all advice, for example, when using a Washroom or similar, and a vulnerable person enters alone, any Adults must leave the Room immediately. There are other features to the Programme, but you get the idea.
If little Village Clubs can do this, all Congregations of JW's can do it.
Would you not think that "God's Spirit Directed Org" would be ahead of the Game on this,. not so far behind ?