Posts by Phizzy

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Resurrection, Reconstruction? What is it? It never made sense to me. Your opinion.

by Wasanelder Once in

i never had much faith in whatever resurrection was.

what appealed to me about jw doctrines was the rejection of the "it's a mystery" defense of the indefensible.

when i would ask how going into non existence could be reversed when all the atomic parts of who we are had been scattered for thousands of years, the answer was "jehovah can do anything".

Phizzy

What is required for the concept to actually seem reasonable to the mind, is a belief in what is called "Soul Sleep".

The problem for the J.W org is that because they do not know how to read the Bible in a Scholarly way, i.e, using proper exegesis to understand the writers thoughts, and take it all as literally as they can, they claim that as it says the Soul dies, that nothing of you lives on after death.

The idea that Big J contains in his big brain every one of your memories, which is pretty embarrassing in my case if true, still does not cut it as to believing that the newly created human is still really you, of course it would not be.

The usual muddled, ill-informed thinking here from the J.W org.

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David Splane's incredible shrinking generation

by waton in

in this mid-week's video, the speaker talking about the marriages of jacob, and joseph, mentions, that jacob had 4 female bearers of his children; therefore the sons were closely spaced in age, perhaps born at the rate of 4 per year, in total much less then 10 years apart with joseph being the youngest at the time , perhaps 17. so:.

the overlapping group generation championed by the same speaker, in the earlier teaching refers to "-- joseph and his generation died --" as key generation proof ext.

we have the tacit admission that his core contemporary family generation group spans less than a decade.

Phizzy

The next generation for you and me is when our first child is born. Not usually even 30 years elapses before that happens.

It is evident that the words attributed to Jesus show that the Gospel writer thought the return of Jesus was almost overdue as he wrote ! later in the 1st Century other Bible Books were written because all the early Christians were distraught that the prophecy had not been fulfilled.

Of course the JW org knows much better than all those early Christians and Bible writers, who they claim were inspired by god, and say that all of that "evidently" means what they say it does. The evidence only being that the JW Org says it.

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Voting and JWs

by Davros in

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friends

with the upcoming elections, the campaigns and political rhetoric are ramping up.

(ramping up is an understatement lol) .

i remember a few years ago, gb member brother herd mentioned during one of his talks that several witnesses were either reproved or disfellowshipped for voting for a certain presidential candidate who won...twice.

Phizzy

This is another case of the Org. speaking out of both sides of their mouth. They want to be able to point the Authorities to where they say it is a Conscience matter, but elsewhere make it plain it is not. I think in some Countries it is illegal to forbid others not to Vote in Elections ????

I guess on the basis of this that ,though merely having "faded", I am considered to have dis-associated myself by my old Congregation. I have openly joined a Political Party, and been campaigning for them for a number of years.

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Bible canon conundrums

by joey jojo in

this is a topic that i find really interesting- how the bible, in particular, the new testament was compiled and how the jw organisation strives to negate, scoff at and diminish the influence of the catholic church in its development.. here is the official stance of the org: .

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/library/r1/lp-e/all-publications/watchtower/the-watchtower-1963/april-15.

'the roman catholic church claims responsibility for the decision as to which books should be included in the canon, and reference is made to the councils of hippo (a.d. 393) and carthage (a.d. 397), where catalogues of books were formulated.

Phizzy

An interesting point you raise joyey jojo, the use of the word "katholikos" as being very early. It shows that there was as early as that a group of Churches who considered themselves to be "the whole Church" and thus were dismissive of Christian groups outside of theirs as not Orthodox.

This thinking must have arisen because of the size of their group, compared to the others, who were probably dwindling in number by then, so they claimed the evident blessing of God upon their Pauline Christianity. At that time of course there was for sure no fixed "Canon" so they must have judged the other groups on difference of Doctrine and interpretation.

The same thinking pervaded the JW's in my youth : " Look how fast we are growing ! We must have Jehovah's blessing !", that thinking is still there to a degree, of course it is not only a fallacy to think that way, but the figures rather go against it too, much larger Christian Groups are also growing faster. Thanks for your thought on this.

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Bible canon conundrums

by joey jojo in

this is a topic that i find really interesting- how the bible, in particular, the new testament was compiled and how the jw organisation strives to negate, scoff at and diminish the influence of the catholic church in its development.. here is the official stance of the org: .

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/library/r1/lp-e/all-publications/watchtower/the-watchtower-1963/april-15.

'the roman catholic church claims responsibility for the decision as to which books should be included in the canon, and reference is made to the councils of hippo (a.d. 393) and carthage (a.d. 397), where catalogues of books were formulated.

Phizzy

"by the usage of Christian congregations throughout the ancient world.'

I commented earlier on this phrase from the WT Article, but they are not consistent on this, apart from the books/Writings they reject totally, which were used by many in the early Churches, they reject the passage about the Woman caught in Adultery, they claim because it "is not in the earliest manuscripts", but there is evidence this passage was long used in the early Church.

Later bishops did not like it because it took away their Control, how very like JW's own G.B ! and because it was too lenient on the woman, had it been a man in the story it would have been different no doubt.

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5 kingdom halls in New Addington for sale

by usualusername1 in

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friends

i had it confirmed today that 5 kingdom halls on one site in new addington are for sale.

price being asked £3.5 million.. every witness in london worked on that site.

am in shock.

Phizzy

The longer it sits idle, the displaced and inconvenienced JW's will feel very disgruntled, and may even begin to question if it was "Jehovah's Direction" that prompted this upheaval, or merely Corporate Greed, who knows ?

The guy who forced them to remove the two attached Cottages from the Sale did not help the Agents in their quest to find a buyer. it is not quite the prospect it was, without those.

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CO zoom visit this week part deux

by nowwhat? in

so within a week he changed the end time chain of events.

this time he said false religion will be along side with the govt.

powers when they declare peace and security!

Phizzy

We are getting so far away from 1914 that I can see an " Overlapping Last Days" idea coming soon LOL ! Or maybe another Date is chosen as significant to "look forward" to ?

This constantly shouting " Wolf ! Wolf! " like the Peter, of the Fable, is wearing very thin surely ? Or at least it will, when things calm down again over the next year or two.

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Jehovah’s Witnesses President Robert Ciranko dies of coronavirus

by Balaamsass2 in

fyi.

this showed up on my google feed.

i couldn't find an earlier story in the search box.

Phizzy

I think we need to be very careful with Posting such news, I know it is easy to be drawn in, and I don't blame anyone for falling for this sort of thing, it is cleverly done. Even Old Phizzy has been fooled a few times by similar things LOL.

The problem is that such things can give ammunition to the Orgs constant refrain about " Apostate Lies", and if we do not take care, they are partially right.

There may at some time in the future be a slew of this sort of thing, Posted by devout JW's, to fool us, and to give credence to the argument that we constantly lie. The thing is, the JW mindset is find one inaccuracy, and everything can be rejected, of course, in their Arch Hypocrisy they do not apply this to their own beloved Org !

We must all be very cautious with what we Post. We want to encourage JW's who come here for the first time to be able to feel they can trust this estimable Site.

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Bible canon conundrums

by joey jojo in

this is a topic that i find really interesting- how the bible, in particular, the new testament was compiled and how the jw organisation strives to negate, scoff at and diminish the influence of the catholic church in its development.. here is the official stance of the org: .

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/library/r1/lp-e/all-publications/watchtower/the-watchtower-1963/april-15.

'the roman catholic church claims responsibility for the decision as to which books should be included in the canon, and reference is made to the councils of hippo (a.d. 393) and carthage (a.d. 397), where catalogues of books were formulated.

Phizzy

They rather shot themselves in the foot with the statement that "the canon was already settled by then, not by the decree of any council, but by the usage of Christian congregations throughout the ancient world.'

There is plenty of proof that many of the Churches/Congregations in the 1st Century used Books, and sections of Writings that are rejected by the Org for various reasons, none of them very Scholarly reasons. Revelation upon which they rely for their Armageddon nonsense was in dispute, and little used it seems in the early Christian Churches, and of course the dispute about the legitimacy of Revelation carried on at least until the time of Martin Luther.

The truth is the Org accepts the Protestant Canon, which was fixed when ?..... Exactly.

The big question is why do they accept these writings alone ? They have no genuine reason to do so, their arguments in support are as usual, fallacious.

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UK Civil Service Damns UK Government

by cofty in

following the daily covid19 briefing, in which boris johnson defended his advisor dominic cummings for travelling to his family estate after showing symptoms of the virus, the civil service official twitter feed posted the following.. .

the tweet was quickly deleted.

i can't overstate how unthinkable it is that the service should publicly criticise the government of the day.. boris' defense of cummings is a huge error in judgement and will destroy its credibility.

Phizzy

I rather admire the Journalist who sat on the half of the story, that Cummings had done this TWICE, until a number of Tory M.P's had come out and "defended" him.

If he is allowed to flout Lock Down Rules, and get away with it, it makes a mockery of those Rules.

Many people who obeyed the Rules, could not be with dying loved ones, could not attend their funeral, and some in parallel situations to Cummings, obeyed, and managed alone.