Posts by Phizzy

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Pioneering for real

by Giordano in

i promised mom i'd pioneer for a year after graduating hs.. but!

i didn't say where.. i chose a small store front kingdom hall in kane pa, one of the coldest places in nw pennsylvania.

they were impressed with their frosty weather.

Phizzy

stan livedeath : " Luxury..... o' course, WE 'ad it 'ard . O' course, tell that t'kids today they wouldn't believe a word of it !". ( with thanks to the Monty Python 4 Yorkshiremen Sketch ).

I Regular Pioneered for a short time after High School and it was in the old 100 Hours a Month days, I soon packed that in, got a full time job, and when i was 25 started my pension, this was in August of 1975, when The End was supposed to come in October ! My pension did not pay out until I was 65, and actually I thought the " New System" would be here long before I ever drew it. I am so glad now I hedged my bets. I would have to live in a place with no bath or inside toilet now if I hadn't !

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BOE Update! (as of 2020-07-31)

by Atlantis in

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body of elder letters, announcements, and so forth will be next to "none" unless more elders decide to contact us and help out.. atlantis has lost three elders in the past two years.

two elders were disfellowshipped, and one disassociated and walk away a month ago.. when this happens receiving confidential documents is severed.

the last announcement we received was 2020-07-23. i was not about to send out a childish letter on "mold" in the kingdom halls.. there are people out there out of work and concerned about what they will eat tomorrow, and the watchtower is concerned with mold!.

Phizzy

May I add my heartfelt thanks for all you have done, it has been a fun time to peer in to how pathetic the JW world has become in recent years.

You never know, another " mole" may pop up and supply stuff, but, no matter, if that doesn't happen. We still find out eventually how the JW Org is slowly disintegrating as it withers away.

Thank you again.

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The toxic JW Worldview

by TD in

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sometimes i forget how small-minded, petty, provincial, mean-spirited ignorant and judgemental it was and still is.... then i sit down with a jw relative, hoping to have a normal conversation and realize there is literally nothing to talk about.. nothing..... current events?

hobbies?

your job?

Phizzy

I agree TD, it saddens me that I have nothing to say to them when I meet up with a JW relatives, because they have nothing in their heads ! so conversation is a real pain.

And yet when I meet up with my real friends who have never been JW's, and some who are XJW's , the conversation flows around all sorts of subjects, Politics, Philosophy, History, Sport, the list is endless, and we talk for hours, or rather we did, before bloody Covid !

JW's have become grey little Zombie like people, with literally no mind of their own, it is like talking to a Robot.

Another thing you cannot talk about with them of course, is Celebrations. The Birthdays we enjoy with our non JW family, and of course Christmas, what a wonderful day that is for us ! When it is my Birthday, or my wife's, our kids make the whole day a celebration for us, presents galore, but take us out to wherever we want, and really show their love for us. And of course we do the same for them, wonderful.

None of this do we dare to mention to our JW family, they would just make a face like a Bulldog licking Piss off a Thistle.

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Jesus Believed In Adam and Eve

by Parker in

i'm new to the forum.

i'm an ex-jw who actually faded from jws.

i'm here to drop by every once in a while to ask a question or two.

Phizzy

We keep getting people claim that Jesus "believed" this or that. Remember, the Gospels are 90% Fiction, nobody can know for sure what he said, and certainly not what was in his mind if he did utter the words. He may have been referring to the various Stories, Adam and Eve, The Flood etc in an Allegorical sort of way, but probably it was more like Midrash, a common way of using Scripture in later times than his, but not unheard of. With Midrash, the stories are brought up to the time of the people listening, often changed in many ways, to suit the situation of their time.

I would hardly think they viewed the stories as 100% literal truth, or they would not have used them in the way they did. We need to get in to the contemporary minds of the time when the Books are written, and know how they would have viewed, and used, what they heard, not read back far later ideas from our time in to what was written.

100% Bible Literalism has a short History, from the late 19th Century to the present, started as an opposing view to the Textual Scholars who were by then showing more about what the Texts really said, and what the Writers meant.

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Zoom meetings, how long ?

by Phizzy in

i was wondering two things, 1: how long in total are the zoom meetings, i presume the sunday one is the longest ?.

and 2: if you use zoom for free, the session only lasts 40 minutes, so do they have an intermission so people can log back in, or are all jw's expected to pay for the "privilege" ?.

Phizzy

" With zoom, most of the socialising is gone."

Yes, especially when the JW ladies used to huddle in a group, and gossip, they will have to do that On-line now only, and the other "huddle", two or three Elders talking about who to get in the back Room next etc, again on line only. The JW ladies seem more Bitchy on Social Media than at the K.H, because they cannot be overheard, they forget I can see what they are saying about each other ! Who has blocked who LOL. But again, a different, and more destructive thing for their relationships.

And just the normal Social chit chat is gone. An XJW friend of mine has always, since he left, called it "The JW Social Club", he always said " Most don't believe it all, they just go for the Social side", and he is right, with that gone, another nail in the JW Org coffin !

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Zoom meetings, how long ?

by Phizzy in

i was wondering two things, 1: how long in total are the zoom meetings, i presume the sunday one is the longest ?.

and 2: if you use zoom for free, the session only lasts 40 minutes, so do they have an intermission so people can log back in, or are all jw's expected to pay for the "privilege" ?.

Phizzy

I was wondering two things, 1: How long in total are the Zoom meetings, I presume the Sunday one is the longest ?

And 2: If you use Zoom for free, the session only lasts 40 minutes, so do they have an intermission so people can log back in, or are all JW's expected to pay for the "privilege" ?

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What was Jesus "anointed" as?

by Doug Mason in

it is illogical to say that “jesus was anointed as christ”.

that’s like saying that “jesus was anointed as anointed”.

the question that needs to be asked is: “what was jesus anointed as?”.

Phizzy

Thank you Doug, I have Downloaded the Book, and will read it at a later time, I still have a pile of books to read.

Having glanced at the Contents, it makes me realise what a Mammoth Task you have set yourself, with your Study of the 2nd. Temple period. You have my admiration, and thanks, for writing in a way that condenses the information in an easy to read and assimilate way !

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Comments on a range of topics

by Doug Mason in

hi,.

recent brief comments i made over a range of subjects.. https://jwstudies.com/doug_s_answers_at_quora__1_.pdf .

doug.

Phizzy

Good answers Doug, you are an Educationist ! A very good one ! You have helped me no end. Many thanks.

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Galaxies and 49000 years

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

now today this is of course a non-issue.

the wt has embraced the big bang/old earth etc just not evolution.

in fact the creator book has some decent info.. however i have a good copy of the 1958 paradise book.

Phizzy

I can see the problem for JW Org in accepting Evolution by Natural Selection as what it is, firmly established Truth. But, I can also think of ways they can spin the Adam and Eve story, I will not outline them here ! I do not want to help them along in their nonsense ! ( The Bible Chronology may seem insurmountable, but that is included in my way of dealing with the thing.)

The fact that they are so 19th Century about this, works against them to a huge degree. My own son when about 12 years old, he had been born in of course, thought to himself that what David Attenborough was telling him on the T.V was Truth, and that the JW thing was not. He never became a JW, and was the first mover in getting us to Wake up ! What an Achilles Heel this is for JW's ! There own kids educating them !

Long may the JW Org stick with their 19th Century nonsense of the Bible being literal truth, and teaching that the Bible stories should be taken literally . It only takes a word or two from someone you love and trust, who knows reality, to start you on the Road To Freedom.

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What was Jesus "anointed" as?

by Doug Mason in

it is illogical to say that “jesus was anointed as christ”.

that’s like saying that “jesus was anointed as anointed”.

the question that needs to be asked is: “what was jesus anointed as?”.

Phizzy

Good Post as usual Doug !

And this puts a new viewpoint on the way JW's view it, and you are absolutely right ! It puts further in to discredit the JW concept of a Paradise Earth, this Jesus Messiah would deal with the Evil Spirit Forces, and Heaven would of course then be free of them, the casting down of the Devil etc in Revelation, but this would cause in theory more trouble on Earth, for 1000 years.

But Heaven would be the ultimate Goal of Christians.