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  What would happen if the Watchtower decided no more meeting at Kingdom Halls, only Zoom?

  by pistolpete in

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  2. beliefs

  i’m seeing my hard core believing relatives slowly losing faith that the watchtower is the organization that “god” is using to represent him on earth.. just about all the churches in their area have opened up.. but not the watchtower.. this is having an affect on the faith of even the old timers.

  now the only ones who are still holding the faith are the female jws and only those past 70 years of age.

  even my old male jw relative past 70 are starting to say that it can’t be jehovah’s organization because the other churches are all open and god supposed organization who is supposed to preach the warning message is still closed with no open in sight.

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  Phizzy

  The G.B are undecided which way to go with this maybe. I could be generous and say they are being very cautious and looking after the well-being of the Flock by not opening up K.H's at present.

  But they have always been reactive, and slow to catch on to what is needed, so they are merely dithering IMHO.

  I think if they decide to go fully on-line only they will lose their growth in the 3rd World, then the withering away of support will be so easily seen by even faithful die-hards. At present there is growth, but not anything significant in the bits of the World that are Internet connected.

  They will eventually go on-line only no doubt. But will achieve it slowly, and stealthily, and it will all be a " Blessing from Jehovah" !
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  The right to not be exposed to ideas I don’t like or agree with?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ok, i would like to submit to the forum the following question: in abstract, do you think that there is a right to not being exposed to ideas that you don’t like or disagree with?

  please think it through and its implications on both ends of the spectrum.. it’s not the right to conscientious objection to do something you vehemently disagree with; it’s not about the liberty to chose which ideas you want to embrace or advocate.

  it’s something different.. given that, as exjws, we understand the importance of being exposed to different opinions in order to form our own opinion, should someone claim the right not to be exposed to opinions or ideas that they don’t like?

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  Phizzy

  Technically this guy has found his chosen solution to the problem :

  
  
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  The Evidence of Human Evolution keeps getting stronger and stronger

  by Disillusioned JW in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  despite the wt's and young earth creationists' teachings against human evolution (namely macroevolution from non-humans) being a reality, the evidence of human evolution keeps getting stronger and stronger.. consider for example two science news articles and one other science article, each pertaining to the fossil that is nicknamed "little foot".

  below are links to three science articles, listed in order of the articles from oldest to newest (except i don't see a date for one of the articles).

  https://www.newscientist.com/article/2187639-exclusive-controversial-skeleton-may-be-a-new-species-of-early-human/.

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  Phizzy

  Every Fossil find has backed up that Evolution for flora and fauna is a reality.

  Not one fossil find contradicts or disproves the Theory. We have not found " Rabbits in the pre-Cambrian era", which is what one Scientist said would cause an upset.

  And as Dawkins rightly said " The Fossil Record is a bonus, not vital to our knowledge" not verbatim, but Dawkins said something similar. We will find more, we are, on a regular basis. They simply expand our knowledge, give us a clearer picture of the course Evolution took.
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  Are You Enjoying living in Jesus Christ`s Paradise after 40 years of his reign ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it has been 40 years since 1975 when 6000 years of human creation took place according to wt theology,when jesus christ was supposedly to begin his 1000 year reign in which earth was supposed to be turned back to an eden like paradise.. 1975 was the second attempt of the wt to predict when 6000 years of human creation took place,the first time it was supposed to have occurred was in 1872 .. so by that reckoning we should be living 40 years into jesus christ`s 1000 reign .. on the other hand wt theology states that jesus returned in 1914 to do what ?

  sit at his fathers right hand until 1975 ?.

  of course this all hinges on jehovah`s witnesses / watchtower belief that a creative day was 7000 years long that they taught for decades .. do they still cling to this belief ?

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  The 1975 nonsense had gone right to the recesses of my memory !

  What a load of old nonsense that was, I still remember listening to Fred Franz talk about it a few years before, he said, " We are not saying that 1975 blah blah blah", then with a laugh, he proceeded to put in the minds of most J.W's that it was correct.

  One guy in a nearby Congregation sold his property business and Pioneered. He would be a millionaire today if he had not done that. He stopped being an active J.W shortly after '75.

  Strangely it had little effect upon my own Congregation, we all seemed to take it with a whole sack of Salt, not just a pinch. A number of us, myself included, started paying in to a Pension scheme, that we could not collect for another 40 years ! I am glad we did !

  A major "Fail" by the J.W Org, that really ruined a lot of lives, and hyet is forgotten not just by me, but most of today's active J.W's
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  What’s Your Opinion On The News Media?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
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  do you think most of what they cover is accurate?

  do you trust the media , especially mainstream?.

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  Phizzy

  " Interesting, I thought the UK was pretty liberal in the press."

  A couple of Newspapers like to give that impression, but they are not, and as I already explained, our T.V ( and Radio actually) are controlled by the same Billionaire interests.

  The Main Stream Media here is corrupt, and will not let Truth get out to the Public.
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  List of Critical WTS Teachings

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i sent a list of statements about current wts teachings to a friend who is being carefully recruited by a seasoned witness.. hi em..... just a quick summary of what all “good” jehovah's witnesses believe...even though some of these things witnesses are not always willing to be transparent about.

  this is your crash course.

  i have quotations for every item listed if you want or need them.. witnesses believes that:.

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  Phizzy

  In this Thread we have listed so many of the J.W teachings that are patently wrong.

  But the one Teaching/Doctrine they have that is critical to their very existence as a credible religion, is that Jesus began to reign in heaven in the year 1914 A.D.

  Without that they can have no "choosing" of them as god's Organization in 1919, and that means that, if that " choosing" is not true, then today's Governing Body are self-appointed Charlatans !

  No 1914 = No 1919 = The J.W religion is a total Sham.

  The 1914 teaching has been proven to be SO wrong that I wonder they are not embarrassed to keep pushing it, admittedly in a subtle, underhanded way, not overtly like they used to, but now presenting it as a given.

  They should be ashamed of themselves, fleecing people, imprisoning people mentally, and harming people for life often.
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  Jehovah’s Witnesses—the Most Boring People On Earth!

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i see watchtower videos or interviews i can’t help but notice how bland and boring jws really are!

  they are so vanilla.

  no excitement, just robotic conversation.. what the hell happened to these people?

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  They really are the Most Boring People on Earth.

  I have J.W family, and whenever I speak to them, I am struck that THEY have nothing to talk about ! I fill in the silences with lots of stuff about what me and my non-JW family have been doing, but them ? they know I don't want to hear about their latest Convention by Zoom or whatever, so, what have they got ? NOTHING !

  What a waste of a life is one spent in the J.W. Org !

  Something has just occurred to me about the BORING Meetings and Conventions. A question, can any J.W remember the "wonderful Spiritual food" that was imparted at a Convention 20 years ago ? ten ? five ? NO !

  We had an elderly Sister who took copious notes at the Convention, when the Elders had the bit on the Meeting about bringing out the highlights from the Convention, they used to crib from her notes ! Because they could not remember what was presented at the Convention just a few weeks before !

  The Convention talks are supposed to be way above the ones given in a Congregation, but were INSTANTLY forgettable !!

  Meetings and Conventions that are instantly forgettable ?

  You cannot get more boring than that.
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  The Evidence of Human Evolution keeps getting stronger and stronger

  by Disillusioned JW in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  despite the wt's and young earth creationists' teachings against human evolution (namely macroevolution from non-humans) being a reality, the evidence of human evolution keeps getting stronger and stronger.. consider for example two science news articles and one other science article, each pertaining to the fossil that is nicknamed "little foot".

  below are links to three science articles, listed in order of the articles from oldest to newest (except i don't see a date for one of the articles).

  https://www.newscientist.com/article/2187639-exclusive-controversial-skeleton-may-be-a-new-species-of-early-human/.

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  Phizzy

  mickbobcat, the Theory of Evolution explains how Flora and Fauna evolve over time, so it explains how the plants and animals we see today got here. Nothing more.

  If you want to get in to how Life on Earth started, which is one question, or how the Universe we know came in to existence, which is a a separate question, they are NOTHING to do with Evolution.

  If you wish to know about those two things you have to study Abiogenesis, and Cosmology.

  I also suggest you look at the very solid proof that argues vigorously against the idea of complexity and diversity being proofs of design.
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  What’s Your Opinion On The News Media?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do you think most of what they cover is accurate?

  do you trust the media , especially mainstream?.

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  Phizzy

  Here in the U.K we have Newspapers owned by billionaires who live offshore, pay no taxes here, but wield huge influence. They support only the Right Wing who will not Tax their Corporations as they should.

  They Mind Control the populace.

  We have a Public Broadcasting Company that is a disgrace, it always has supported the Establishment Right Wing, it reports only stuff favourable to the Establishment Right Wing, and it suppresses a lot of News, hundreds of thousands can march in protest at the Government, and it will not be reported. It smears anyone Left of Atilla the Hun, and everyone in Palestine is a " militant" according to them. They are so pro-Israel that they are an embarrassment to all who see what Israel is.

  The other broadcasters, on Radio and T.V are not much better.

  Basically, here in the U.K the News Media have sold out. To hear truth and the real story, you have to search on-line to obscure sources, no wonder we are in Deep Shit.
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  The right to not be exposed to ideas I don’t like or agree with?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ok, i would like to submit to the forum the following question: in abstract, do you think that there is a right to not being exposed to ideas that you don’t like or disagree with?

  please think it through and its implications on both ends of the spectrum.. it’s not the right to conscientious objection to do something you vehemently disagree with; it’s not about the liberty to chose which ideas you want to embrace or advocate.

  it’s something different.. given that, as exjws, we understand the importance of being exposed to different opinions in order to form our own opinion, should someone claim the right not to be exposed to opinions or ideas that they don’t like?

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  Phizzy

  I firmly believe that for people to have the Legal Right to resist being exposed to opinions etc they disagree with is to be resisted as firmly as we can !

  If people live in an "Echo Chamber" that simply confirms their view, how do they know their opinions and beliefs are correct ?

  I find it a pain in the bum when I am confronted by ideas and opinions I know to be wrong, but why should I not know the shit people are coming out with ? I find it a pain because I usually feel Duty Bound to put such people right.

  if my own opinions are correct and can be backed up with facts and evidence, why should I be worried by being confronted with nonsense ?

  I am so glad that many opinions I held, many things I thought were true, were shown to be not so by people who knew better. If I had listened to the JW Org rules, I would still be in that Echo Chamber, the J W Mental Prison.

  No, as long as it isn't Hate Speech, likely to foment violence, expose me to it as much as you like !