- Joe, have you checked all these out ? I haven't, (Lazy bugger me) but wonder if they may have helped the Bible writers along ? also remember that the Hebrew Bible was cobbled together, Edited and Redacted and interpolations added after the Babylonian Exile, so maybe Babylonian, even Persian Law comes into the mix too ?
- Code of Urukagina (2380–2360 BCE)
- Code of Ur-Nammu, king of Ur (c. 2050 BCE). Copies with slight variations found in Nippur, Sippar and Ur
- Laws of Eshnunna (c. 1930 BCE)[1]
- Codex of Lipit-Ishtar of Isin (c. 1870 BCE)[2]
- Babylonian law
- Code of Hammurabi (c. 1750 BCE in middle chronology)
- Hittite laws, also known as the 'Code of the Nesilim' (developed c. 1650–1500 BCE, in effect until c. 1100 BCE)
Posts by Phizzy
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36“Hanging the earth upon nothing”
by FFGhost infor those of you not up to speed on the latest jw trends, one of the key scriptures the jws are using in field serve-us lately is job 26:7, wherein the writer describes the earth as “hanging upon nothing”.. this text is used to indicate the bible’s “reliability”.
the reasoning goes something like this:.
“see, centuries ago, people thought the world was flat, or was resting on elephants or turtles, or some such nonsense.
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“Hanging the earth upon nothing”
by FFGhost infor those of you not up to speed on the latest jw trends, one of the key scriptures the jws are using in field serve-us lately is job 26:7, wherein the writer describes the earth as “hanging upon nothing”.. this text is used to indicate the bible’s “reliability”.
the reasoning goes something like this:.
“see, centuries ago, people thought the world was flat, or was resting on elephants or turtles, or some such nonsense.
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Waton said " The verse says nothing about a ball, for all we know, the writer could have had in mind a garden of eden swing."
I didn't say the verse said that, I was trying to make the point that the verse used a Hebrew word that did not evoke a mental image of anything spheroid, which they had a perfectly serviceable word for, but instead used the other word, which gave a mental vision like a food plate. So this verse is far from insightful.
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Special Talk in Europe this weekend
by BoogerMan indoes anyone have any info about this, and if it's being transmitted in the uk?.
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"Special" HaHaHaHa !! They are always a huge disappointment even to full on Jaydubs, as they consist of only Hot Air.
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Sexual abuse and Jehovah's witnesses- the gift that keep on giving
by wannaexit inthere seems to be no end to the many jw's who sexually abused minors.
here is another story:.
https://www.inquirer.com/news/pa-jehovahs-witnesses-sex-assault-attorney-general-shapiro-20221027.html.
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Phizzy
" Tell me where I am wrong." You are not wrong in any way. There can be no other explanation.
It isn't as though being apologetic, open, paying compensation and implementing proper care of the vulnerable in their midst has done any other Church any damage, so why will JW Org do none of this ?
It is as you say TM, if they did so, then previous members of the "Spirit Anointed" G.B and other Big Wigs would be exposed for all J.W's to see, as either paedophiles or Homosexuals and sometimes both.
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“Hanging the earth upon nothing”
by FFGhost infor those of you not up to speed on the latest jw trends, one of the key scriptures the jws are using in field serve-us lately is job 26:7, wherein the writer describes the earth as “hanging upon nothing”.. this text is used to indicate the bible’s “reliability”.
the reasoning goes something like this:.
“see, centuries ago, people thought the world was flat, or was resting on elephants or turtles, or some such nonsense.
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That Site mentioned above by Dis.JW. is a bit more open minded and sensible than head-banging Bible Literalists are, but is a tad naive.
For example : " II Timothy 3:16 clearly states that the Bible is inspired by God" , of course it doesn't, there was no Bible when the writer (not Paul by the way) of those words wrote them. Certainly no New Testament Canon.
There were Jewish writings, collected together into a sort of Canon, but not considered fully established or as holy writ. Lots of what is now considered Apocryphal would have been in there too, the Book of Enoch etc etc.
As to the vision of what the Earth was by Hebrew writers there is no indication they considered it a Sphere, they would have used the word in Hebrew which we could translate as "Ball" had this been so, not the word used, which means shaped like a round food Plate.
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New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.
by waton infor what it is worth to those interested.
1914.. tel-aviv university.
"biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.
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Phizzy
" Just go away." I sympathise with that Jeffro, after all your excellent work on this subject over the years, an Internet Troll like "Fisherman" comes along with annoying fallacies, lies and typical misdirection , all served with a huge Dollop of rudeness.
On the other hand, he does prove that the J.W position has not even a photograph of a leg to stand on !
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Is There Life On Mars?
by LoveUniHateExams inno, i'm not talking about the david bowie song, i'm asking does life exist on mars?.
opportunity rover (the one before the present one) took photos of strange, puffball-like sphericals seemingly sprouting on the martian surface.. these photos aren't conclusive evidence but it is an exciting area to investigate.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9546225/scientists-claim-evidence-fungi-red-planet.html .
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"if such a thing as GOD really does exist it is also inconceivable to me that earth is the only place considering again the size of the universe"
And Bible god only interested himself in a small group of tribes inhabiting the worst bit of land that was formerly Canaan, the piss poor Hill Country. Yea, that makes sense.
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New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.
by waton infor what it is worth to those interested.
1914.. tel-aviv university.
"biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.
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" if 586 cannot be confirmed with the method ".
This same group of Scientists showed they did exactly that in an earlier Paper, the Link to that paper is in the one on this Thread.
Trying to prove the W.T./J.W. org discredited 607 BCE date is a lost cause Fisherman.
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Is There Life On Mars?
by LoveUniHateExams inno, i'm not talking about the david bowie song, i'm asking does life exist on mars?.
opportunity rover (the one before the present one) took photos of strange, puffball-like sphericals seemingly sprouting on the martian surface.. these photos aren't conclusive evidence but it is an exciting area to investigate.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9546225/scientists-claim-evidence-fungi-red-planet.html .
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As to the Abiogenesis Hypothesis, this from an answer on Quora :
" Four billion years ago, the Earth’s atmospheric and surface conditions were dramatically different from what they are now, so we wouldn’t expect to see abiogenesis occurring today. But what we WOULD expect to see is that prebiotic conditions should be able to create the basic building blocks of life.
So researchers did exactly that. They used a reducing atmosphere—containing ammonia, methane, carbon dioxide, hydrogen, hydrogen sulfide, water, etc.—and combined it with the expected temperatures, atmospheric electrical activity and ultraviolet light of an early Earth, and let them “cook” for a while. They found that even under a wide variety of different prebiotic conditions, it only takes a few days to spontaneously form dozens of the complex organic molecules essential for life. The repeated heating, cooling and irradiation of these molecules, as would be expected on a prebiotic Earth, can also cause the spontaneous formation of ribonucleotides. And ribonucleotides exposed to certain natural clays can spontaneously assemble into strands of RNA. Not only is RNA capable of self-reproduction, which is a fundamental requirement for life, but it’s very close in structure to DNA, which is the genetic blueprint of almost all life. Furthermore, the most primitive life on Earth is actually based on RNA, so finding a natural pathway to the formation of RNA is a huge step. Not only that, but simple fatty acids that also form naturally in prebiotic conditions AUTOMATICALLY assemble into structures resembling cell membranes. And under the right conditions, DNA inserted into those cell membrane-like structures can successfully replicate.
This does not mean we have figured out the entire process that led to the formation of the first life—at least not yet. But since all of the critical initial steps occur automatically under natural conditions, this is powerful evidence that we’re on the right track. Thus, abiogenesis is INCOMPLETE, not failed."
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"The Truth"
by Ding inwe all know that jws consider the wt religion to be "the truth" and refer to it as such.. granted, that phrase is used repeatedly in the literature and from the platform.. but it's obvious that much of what the organization used to require jws to teach house-to-house as important truths--even within our own lifetimes--has been abandoned.
it's been replaced by "new light" and "refined understanding.
what's meant by "the 1914 generation" is a prime example.. in fact, i think it would be hard to find another religion that has changed so many of its teachings, especially in such a short period of time.. so why do jws still believe their religion to be "the truth"?.
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Yes ! the oft repeated word serves to convince them that it is a reality, that they have the "truth", and that EVERYONE else does not !
This gives them a smug feeling of superiority.
The Scripture used to excuse the constant Doctrinal changes, Proverbs 4v18 in the most blatant example of irony, is not talking about "truth" at all directly, and certainly not religious truth : " The path of the righteous is like the morning sun,
shining ever brighter till the full light of day.".It is a Proverb about how if you are righteous, your way through life becomes clearer the longer you live.
Charles Taze Russell pointed out over 100 years ago as he founded the org. that when it came to "New Light" in understanding the Scriptures, it could only be called that if it ADDED to an old understanding, if the new "understanding" replaced an older one, what was replaced was never Truth .(Feb. 1881 W.T from memory).
Jehovah's Witnesses should take note of that !
All the while they were teaching the old discarded ideas, they were teaching untruth, what does their God think of such teachers ? Exactly, but while they were teaching lies they called those teachings, and their religion "The Truth", and if you as a member loudly pointed out from Scripture the correct view, you would at the time be thrown out !!!! God's Spirit Directed Organisation ? Nah.