a perennial favorite of the wt, and other hierarchal churches, is the infamous korah rebellion tale of numbers 16. the story has been a subject of debate for many many years.
how did korah die?
did his family?
Thanks for this Thread Pete, I shall look in to it some more, even as a believing Jaydub this story struck me as metaphorical, even though the org. took it as literal, I just couldn't.
The org. also had some awful Pics. of the ground swallowing people, to frighten the JW kiddies, not sure if they had one of this story ? probably in that old 1950's terrible "Paradise" Book ?
for those of you not up to speed on the latest jw trends, one of the key scriptures the jws are using in field serve-us lately is job 26:7, wherein the writer describes the earth as “hanging upon nothing”.. this text is used to indicate the bible’s “reliability”.
the reasoning goes something like this:.
“see, centuries ago, people thought the world was flat, or was resting on elephants or turtles, or some such nonsense.
for those of you not up to speed on the latest jw trends, one of the key scriptures the jws are using in field serve-us lately is job 26:7, wherein the writer describes the earth as “hanging upon nothing”.. this text is used to indicate the bible’s “reliability”.
the reasoning goes something like this:.
“see, centuries ago, people thought the world was flat, or was resting on elephants or turtles, or some such nonsense.
Waton said " The verse says nothing about a ball, for all we know, the writer could have had in mind a garden of eden swing."
I didn't say the verse said that, I was trying to make the point that the verse used a Hebrew word that did not evoke a mental image of anything spheroid, which they had a perfectly serviceable word for, but instead used the other word, which gave a mental vision like a food plate. So this verse is far from insightful.
does anyone have any info about this, and if it's being transmitted in the uk?.
"Special" HaHaHaHa !! They are always a huge disappointment even to full on Jaydubs, as they consist of only Hot Air.
there seems to be no end to the many jw's who sexually abused minors.
here is another story:.
https://www.inquirer.com/news/pa-jehovahs-witnesses-sex-assault-attorney-general-shapiro-20221027.html.
" Tell me where I am wrong." You are not wrong in any way. There can be no other explanation.
It isn't as though being apologetic, open, paying compensation and implementing proper care of the vulnerable in their midst has done any other Church any damage, so why will JW Org do none of this ?
It is as you say TM, if they did so, then previous members of the "Spirit Anointed" G.B and other Big Wigs would be exposed for all J.W's to see, as either paedophiles or Homosexuals and sometimes both.
for those of you not up to speed on the latest jw trends, one of the key scriptures the jws are using in field serve-us lately is job 26:7, wherein the writer describes the earth as “hanging upon nothing”.. this text is used to indicate the bible’s “reliability”.
the reasoning goes something like this:.
“see, centuries ago, people thought the world was flat, or was resting on elephants or turtles, or some such nonsense.
That Site mentioned above by Dis.JW. is a bit more open minded and sensible than head-banging Bible Literalists are, but is a tad naive.
For example : " II Timothy 3:16 clearly states that the Bible is inspired by God" , of course it doesn't, there was no Bible when the writer (not Paul by the way) of those words wrote them. Certainly no New Testament Canon.
There were Jewish writings, collected together into a sort of Canon, but not considered fully established or as holy writ. Lots of what is now considered Apocryphal would have been in there too, the Book of Enoch etc etc.
As to the vision of what the Earth was by Hebrew writers there is no indication they considered it a Sphere, they would have used the word in Hebrew which we could translate as "Ball" had this been so, not the word used, which means shaped like a round food Plate.
for what it is worth to those interested.
1914.. tel-aviv university.
"biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.
" Just go away." I sympathise with that Jeffro, after all your excellent work on this subject over the years, an Internet Troll like "Fisherman" comes along with annoying fallacies, lies and typical misdirection , all served with a huge Dollop of rudeness.
On the other hand, he does prove that the J.W position has not even a photograph of a leg to stand on !
no, i'm not talking about the david bowie song, i'm asking does life exist on mars?.
opportunity rover (the one before the present one) took photos of strange, puffball-like sphericals seemingly sprouting on the martian surface.. these photos aren't conclusive evidence but it is an exciting area to investigate.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9546225/scientists-claim-evidence-fungi-red-planet.html .
"if such a thing as GOD really does exist it is also inconceivable to me that earth is the only place considering again the size of the universe"
And Bible god only interested himself in a small group of tribes inhabiting the worst bit of land that was formerly Canaan, the piss poor Hill Country. Yea, that makes sense.
for what it is worth to those interested.
1914.. tel-aviv university.
"biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.
" if 586 cannot be confirmed with the method ".
This same group of Scientists showed they did exactly that in an earlier Paper, the Link to that paper is in the one on this Thread.
Trying to prove the W.T./J.W. org discredited 607 BCE date is a lost cause Fisherman.
no, i'm not talking about the david bowie song, i'm asking does life exist on mars?.
opportunity rover (the one before the present one) took photos of strange, puffball-like sphericals seemingly sprouting on the martian surface.. these photos aren't conclusive evidence but it is an exciting area to investigate.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9546225/scientists-claim-evidence-fungi-red-planet.html .
As to the Abiogenesis Hypothesis, this from an answer on Quora :
" Four billion years ago, the Earth’s atmospheric and surface conditions were dramatically different from what they are now, so we wouldn’t expect to see abiogenesis occurring today. But what we WOULD expect to see is that prebiotic conditions should be able to create the basic building blocks of life.
So researchers did exactly that. They used a reducing atmosphere—containing ammonia, methane, carbon dioxide, hydrogen, hydrogen sulfide, water, etc.—and combined it with the expected temperatures, atmospheric electrical activity and ultraviolet light of an early Earth, and let them “cook” for a while. They found that even under a wide variety of different prebiotic conditions, it only takes a few days to spontaneously form dozens of the complex organic molecules essential for life. The repeated heating, cooling and irradiation of these molecules, as would be expected on a prebiotic Earth, can also cause the spontaneous formation of ribonucleotides. And ribonucleotides exposed to certain natural clays can spontaneously assemble into strands of RNA. Not only is RNA capable of self-reproduction, which is a fundamental requirement for life, but it’s very close in structure to DNA, which is the genetic blueprint of almost all life. Furthermore, the most primitive life on Earth is actually based on RNA, so finding a natural pathway to the formation of RNA is a huge step. Not only that, but simple fatty acids that also form naturally in prebiotic conditions AUTOMATICALLY assemble into structures resembling cell membranes. And under the right conditions, DNA inserted into those cell membrane-like structures can successfully replicate.
This does not mean we have figured out the entire process that led to the formation of the first life—at least not yet. But since all of the critical initial steps occur automatically under natural conditions, this is powerful evidence that we’re on the right track. Thus, abiogenesis is INCOMPLETE, not failed."
