Posts by Phizzy

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The Korah Story Composition

by peacefulpete in

a perennial favorite of the wt, and other hierarchal churches, is the infamous korah rebellion tale of numbers 16. the story has been a subject of debate for many many years.

how did korah die?

did his family?

Phizzy

Richard Dawkins certainly didn't like old Yahweh , see his view in "The God Delusion".

Like all invented god's, YHWH reflected the character of those who invented, or in the case of the Israelites adopted, him.

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dr. bart ehrman is a bible scholar who wrote such books as misquoting jesus: the story behind who changed the bible and why and how jesus became god: the exaltation of a jewish preacher from galilee.. i found this interview with dr. ehrman fascinating.

notice are about the 23:35 time stamp one example of many problems with errors in the bible and its many translations.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8evuuadoey.

Phizzy

Dr Ehrman is an interesting case, he began his new Testament Studies as a full-on believer, very soon he found some BIG problems with the Gospels, and things just got better from then on.

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Review of Wallace's Grammar

by Wonderment in

review of daniel b. wallace’s greek grammar.

daniel b[aird] wallace is professor of new testament, and author of greek grammar beyond the basics, a work first published by zondervan corporation in 1996. his work has since become a standard work in the intermediate koine greek field and has been translated into half a dozen languages.

it is said two-thirds of bible colleges today that teach the subject use the textbook.

Phizzy

Thanks Wonderment for taking the time to Post this review, I would not have thought of purchasing this Work before, but may do so now. You mention this guy " Edgar Foster (Ph.D. in Theology & Religious Studies and one of Jehovah's Witnesses) "

I found info on this guy on-line : " Dr. Edgar G. Foster studied classical languages and philosophy at Lenoir-Rhyne University, and theology with a focus on ancient church history at the University of Glasgow. He has been a student of ethics, theology, and the ancient world for almost thirty years." . I have a feeling they may be two different guys ? do you happen to know ? My interest is that I would be very surprised if Dr Edgar. G. Foster is a J.W, but maybe he is ??

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The Korah Story Composition

by peacefulpete in

a perennial favorite of the wt, and other hierarchal churches, is the infamous korah rebellion tale of numbers 16. the story has been a subject of debate for many many years.

how did korah die?

did his family?

Phizzy

Thanks for this Thread Pete, I shall look in to it some more, even as a believing Jaydub this story struck me as metaphorical, even though the org. took it as literal, I just couldn't.

The org. also had some awful Pics. of the ground swallowing people, to frighten the JW kiddies, not sure if they had one of this story ? probably in that old 1950's terrible "Paradise" Book ?

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“Hanging the earth upon nothing”

by FFGhost in

for those of you not up to speed on the latest jw trends, one of the key scriptures the jws are using in field serve-us lately is job 26:7, wherein the writer describes the earth as “hanging upon nothing”.. this text is used to indicate the bible’s “reliability”.

the reasoning goes something like this:.

“see, centuries ago, people thought the world was flat, or was resting on elephants or turtles, or some such nonsense.

Phizzy

Joe, have you checked all these out ? I haven't, (Lazy bugger me) but wonder if they may have helped the Bible writers along ? also remember that the Hebrew Bible was cobbled together, Edited and Redacted and interpolations added after the Babylonian Exile, so maybe Babylonian, even Persian Law comes into the mix too ?
Code of Urukagina (2380–2360 BCE)
Code of Ur-Nammu, king of Ur (c. 2050 BCE). Copies with slight variations found in Nippur, Sippar and Ur
Laws of Eshnunna (c. 1930 BCE)[1]
Codex of Lipit-Ishtar of Isin (c. 1870 BCE)[2]
Babylonian law
- Code of Hammurabi (c. 1750 BCE in middle chronology)
Hittite laws, also known as the 'Code of the Nesilim' (developed c. 1650–1500 BCE, in effect until c. 1100 BCE)

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“Hanging the earth upon nothing”

by FFGhost in

for those of you not up to speed on the latest jw trends, one of the key scriptures the jws are using in field serve-us lately is job 26:7, wherein the writer describes the earth as “hanging upon nothing”.. this text is used to indicate the bible’s “reliability”.

the reasoning goes something like this:.

“see, centuries ago, people thought the world was flat, or was resting on elephants or turtles, or some such nonsense.

Phizzy

Waton said " The verse says nothing about a ball, for all we know, the writer could have had in mind a garden of eden swing."

I didn't say the verse said that, I was trying to make the point that the verse used a Hebrew word that did not evoke a mental image of anything spheroid, which they had a perfectly serviceable word for, but instead used the other word, which gave a mental vision like a food plate. So this verse is far from insightful.

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Special Talk in Europe this weekend

by BoogerMan in

does anyone have any info about this, and if it's being transmitted in the uk?.

Phizzy

"Special" HaHaHaHa !! They are always a huge disappointment even to full on Jaydubs, as they consist of only Hot Air.

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Sexual abuse and Jehovah's witnesses- the gift that keep on giving

by wannaexit in

there seems to be no end to the many jw's who sexually abused minors.

here is another story:.

https://www.inquirer.com/news/pa-jehovahs-witnesses-sex-assault-attorney-general-shapiro-20221027.html.

Phizzy

" Tell me where I am wrong." You are not wrong in any way. There can be no other explanation.

It isn't as though being apologetic, open, paying compensation and implementing proper care of the vulnerable in their midst has done any other Church any damage, so why will JW Org do none of this ?

It is as you say TM, if they did so, then previous members of the "Spirit Anointed" G.B and other Big Wigs would be exposed for all J.W's to see, as either paedophiles or Homosexuals and sometimes both.

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“Hanging the earth upon nothing”

by FFGhost in

for those of you not up to speed on the latest jw trends, one of the key scriptures the jws are using in field serve-us lately is job 26:7, wherein the writer describes the earth as “hanging upon nothing”.. this text is used to indicate the bible’s “reliability”.

the reasoning goes something like this:.

“see, centuries ago, people thought the world was flat, or was resting on elephants or turtles, or some such nonsense.

Phizzy

That Site mentioned above by Dis.JW. is a bit more open minded and sensible than head-banging Bible Literalists are, but is a tad naive.

For example : " II Timothy 3:16 clearly states that the Bible is inspired by God" , of course it doesn't, there was no Bible when the writer (not Paul by the way) of those words wrote them. Certainly no New Testament Canon.

There were Jewish writings, collected together into a sort of Canon, but not considered fully established or as holy writ. Lots of what is now considered Apocryphal would have been in there too, the Book of Enoch etc etc.

As to the vision of what the Earth was by Hebrew writers there is no indication they considered it a Sphere, they would have used the word in Hebrew which we could translate as "Ball" had this been so, not the word used, which means shaped like a round food Plate.

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New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

by waton in

for what it is worth to those interested.

1914.. tel-aviv university.

"biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

Phizzy

" Just go away." I sympathise with that Jeffro, after all your excellent work on this subject over the years, an Internet Troll like "Fisherman" comes along with annoying fallacies, lies and typical misdirection , all served with a huge Dollop of rudeness.

On the other hand, he does prove that the J.W position has not even a photograph of a leg to stand on !