ok i'll bite.. let's say for a moment that jehovah's witnesses are right, and that the nt autographs (the originals) contained the tetragrammaton.let's say that the nt writers always wrote "jehovah" in greek (iexoba, as the witnesses spell it currently) when they quoted the hebrew scriptures, whether they quoted from the hebrew version or the septuagint, and jehovah's name appeared on the quote.
let's say that the original septuagint always had iexoba whenever they were referring to jehovah.then we have that the original septuagint said in psalms 101:26-28 the following:"at the beginning it was you, o jehovah, who founded the earth, and the heavens are works of your hands.
they will perish, but you will endure, and they will all become old like a garment.
I always like to ask what would the readers of these words, the first ones, have gleaned from them ? how would they have understood them ?
That way, if you answer your own question with honesty, you do not READ BACK into Scripture later Theology and ideas that were not in the Reader's minds, nor the Writer's either.
a good question is would you be more happy not knowing what you now know?.
were you more happy pimi?
are all the pimis more happy than the the pimos or the pomos?.
"I will trade comfort for truth every time" me too, but I found when I was a believing J.W the constant, and ever building, Cognitive Dissonance meant I was uncomfortable, all the time unless well away from J.W people and stuff.
I found that discovering truth eradicated Cog. Diss, helped me find my real self, and was like drinking fresh, pure cool water, rather than the brackish sewage laden sort the J.W's are forced to drink.
Some things were hard, I remember meeting up with a lovely XJW lady shortly after I had left, and she said (I don't know how it came up) "..But we all have to die", prior to that I had never faced my mortality. But doing so made me more comfortable in the end.
There is no substitute for truth and reality, living in delusion doesn't even come second.
hi!i am doing a very long and exhaustive study of the "j" versions, based off the new study edition of the new world translation:https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-c/divine-name-new-testament-2/.
this list has about 300 sources, mostly bibles, that the jehovah's witnesses have used to "justify" their insertion of "jehovah" into the new testament.i am doing an excel spreadsheet of where to find digitized copies of these j versions and then some notes on them.. they contain some really interesting renderings, some that would make a jehovah's witness's head spin!for example, in j29:the original aramaic new testament in plain english (an american translation of the aramaic new testament), by glenn david bauscher, seventh edition, australia, 2012which you can find here:.
http://buffaloriverforge.com/peshitta/nt%20peshitta%207th%20ed%20plain%20text%20unnoted.pdfin luke 2:11 it says:.
Yes, thanks for the explanation. I realised the "J" references the Org. used were all for late stuff when I was in.
I just thought you guys had found something that DID prove the Name was in the N.T or something else perhaps.
Now I can see what you are getting at, more Org. devious deception !
I really don't think it matters one way or the other if the Name was in the N.T or not, what is important is, if you take it upon yourself to insert it willy-nilly, and other stuff too, you cannot claim to be following the oldest MSS, but that is what the Org. claim, and often leave out verses because they are not found in the oldest MSS.
They are not honest enough of course to admit to what is true, they make everything up as they go along.
hi!i am doing a very long and exhaustive study of the "j" versions, based off the new study edition of the new world translation:https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-c/divine-name-new-testament-2/.
this list has about 300 sources, mostly bibles, that the jehovah's witnesses have used to "justify" their insertion of "jehovah" into the new testament.i am doing an excel spreadsheet of where to find digitized copies of these j versions and then some notes on them.. they contain some really interesting renderings, some that would make a jehovah's witness's head spin!for example, in j29:the original aramaic new testament in plain english (an american translation of the aramaic new testament), by glenn david bauscher, seventh edition, australia, 2012which you can find here:.
http://buffaloriverforge.com/peshitta/nt%20peshitta%207th%20ed%20plain%20text%20unnoted.pdfin luke 2:11 it says:.
Pardon my being obviously obtuse, but could someone kindly explain the interest in these MSS ? of what significance are they to our determining what was originally written all those Centuries before these Texts appeared ?
Thank you.
elder friend of mine texted me asking what my rc attendance was 2 weeks ago (family and i streamed it since wife is not well).
he told me that his rc in the jersey city assembly hall last weekend was low.
co told them that around 2600 were the total from 16+ congs that were assigned.
When I was beginning to wake up, but hadn't left yet, we blew out the Regional thingy, I think it was called a District Convention in those days, nobody noticed we were not there ! I thought my J.W family might notice, but thankfully, no.
We never attended another Convention of any kind, having got away with that one, then we left just over a year later.
I remember being a bit careful in conversation with a few J.W's shortly after each Convention, but they soon forgot about it.
With the attendance thing mentioned in the O.P and other Posts, I don't remember it being particularly well attended every day, maybe Sunday, but I think a lot skipped going, like me, for at least some of the days.
this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.
this is not a joke.
anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!
I am sure you are right Slim, the nature of his departure is so unusual, it must be something that recently came to light, but could be an old discretion. Did his fixation with "Tight Pants" hide a certain nature, which has now become known ??
Whatever, the Org. are doing their very best to get him forgotten.
won the premiership.. won the fa cup.. won the champions league.. that's the treble baby.
so amazing after we spent 44 years without anything.
no more "noisy neighbours".. now let's do it again, back-to-back, and achieve new heights - more consecutive premierships than anyone has every done before would be enough..
Well done Citeh !
canada has universal healthcare.
the consensus is that america never will.
can anyone explain why, please?
Many Americans seem to form their opinions on slogans and memes etc. not on facts. Whether they see the system of healthcare that most civilised nations use as somehow "wrong" or not, the simple truth is it will cost them less than half what they are paying now, but will be comprehensive, not selective cover as insurance is.
Are they so SELFISH they would rather pay twice what is necessary just so that someone they deem as not worthy cannot access healthcare ??
What kind of monsters are these people ??
self-aware npc has an upload that the ""top-secret"' elders only secret boxes is a drum roll here......a new brochure.....ta dahhhh🤪.
i mean how more dramatic can we get..
Should be Titled " Love JW org -make Members" to be true. They are worried about Contributions dropping in line with membership.
Making converts in the enlightened West is not going to happen, in the USA it may be a bit easier, religious affiliation is not looked upon as a bit weird there, but converts still must be rare, and the Org's growth will no longer come from the offspring of older J.W's so easily.
The World is waking up, 19th Century Doomsday Cults are so passe.
canada has universal healthcare.
the consensus is that america never will.
can anyone explain why, please?
"I still think letting each state decide for itself has some merit in it."
Yes it does, apart from perhaps very small population States, but the people there could be given the opportunity to pay in to a nearby states system the same as if they were resident, and still take advantage, even if a bit of travel was involved ? maybe ? dunno. (maybe not , Social Care has to be considered kin the equation).
Obviously the ideal is for the whole Country to implement a proper system, then the well known money grabbers like Big Pharma would have to deal with a National buying Agency, with huge clout, an Agency who could buy from anywhere in the World.
But baby-steps could work.
