Phizzy

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  Secret Elders Book? Bwahahaha!

  by NotFormer in

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  i remember a couple of decades ago when the internet was relatively young and the wt was at war with it, that they were battling to keep the pay attention book secret, commencing legal action against anyone who published it online (and of course, trying to out anyone who leaked it).

  i think it was a norwegian skeptics organisation who had it available for download and dared the wt lawyers to come after them.. so i guess the new shepherd the flock book came out to try and put the genie back in the bottle and reassert some air of mystery and secrecy back into the equation.. so i typed jehovah's witnesses secret elder book into google.

  colour me gobsmacked!

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  Phizzy

  Where it is important is where it exposes all the ways they have to DF you, there are more pages on that than any on actual Shepherding ! And where it plainly shows they STILL give wrong direction in cases of CSA and other abuse, violence etc. still saying 'phone Legal first !

  The appropriate Authorities, trained and qualified to handle such things, Morally should be contacted straight away, even if there is only a rumour, especially of CSA.

  ANY delay allows the Perp. time to put pressure on the Victim (s) and any witnesses, this HAS happened !
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  Were Bible writers flat earthers?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  2. bible

  job 26:7 he stretches out the northern sky over empty space, well should it be the southern that has empty space under it?.

  the north pole has the earth under it?.

  the south pole has empty space under it?.

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  Phizzy

  " It's a bit of a stretch to conclude that their word for 'circle' was used because they didn't have a word available that described a sphere or a ball. Can you think of any language that doesn't have different words to describe disks and balls. "

  THAT is the point, they DID have a suitable word for a Ball shape in Hebrew, the Writer chose not to use it, because he envisaged the Earth as shown in my previous Post ! He used the word for circle , which if I recall was also used for a platter.

  Which is why it is disingenuous, and totally inaccurate for the JW 's to claim they knew the real shape of the Earth !

  You can search the old Threads on this if you type in "A Sphere is not a Circle ", the first guy to mention this actually used that as his username IIRC.
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  2023-Price-Per-Publisher!

  by Atlantis in

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  2. friends

  2023-price per publisher.. .

  https://imgbox.com/jshf0csu .

  atlantis!.

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  Phizzy

  " Per publisher, per what? Per month? " It was that way when I was in, years ago.

  I remember being disgusted when this system came in, I always felt donations should be voluntary, o.k. the crafty money-grubbing bastards have made it look voluntary for the individual, but it is an oblique way of putting pressure on each J.W.

  The really demonstrate Love don't they ? ....... Love of Money.
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  Do You Think Trump Is Done?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  certain forces appear to be trying to make sure donald trump never runs for president again.

  some republicans are clearly abandoning trump and of course the democratic press has been saying trump is done!

  is trump’s goose cooked?

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  Phizzy

  I bloody hope the ignorant fat oaf is done, I detest the man.

  Hopefully we will never see him again on our T.V screens here in the U.K,after the legals are done, unless a programme shows a clip of him uttering more unintelligible drivel and self-aggrandisement on US T.V, for us all to gawp and laugh at.
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  Jeffrey Jackson: Too much excitement got in the way for the ''false dates''

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  annual meeting 2019—talks and 2020 year textthe governing body members are nothing but a bunch of weasels.

  here is a talk by jeffrey jackson on how the governing body ''the slave class'' has remained spiritually awake over 100 years and alerted its members.. he looks back on the ''faithful and discreet slaves'' false dates over the 100 years: '' but at times, we look back over 100 years, and there were times they got excited about a certain year or time, and the end didn't come at that time.''.

  he makes the comparison between the ''slave class ( who disappointed others when the end didn't come ) to a barking watchdog ( who in his enthusiasm barks at nothing in the middle of the night and wakes up the owner).

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  Phizzy

  About 40 or even 50 years ago I came up with an interpretation of a Scripture different to that of how the G.B interpreted matters, in the Tuesday night Book study. It really was only a minor nuance, nothing big.

  The Elder conducting told me in a supercilious way "That is not what the Society says " ( they didn't in those days say G.B or Org.)

  I just shrugged, the great thing was later in the year "The Society" published my interpretation exactly, Ha Ha .

  That Noo Lite can be a bugger ! for some.

  How do they have the GALL to claim they are directed by Holy Spirit ?
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  Were Bible writers flat earthers?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  job 26:7 he stretches out the northern sky over empty space, well should it be the southern that has empty space under it?.

  the north pole has the earth under it?.

  the south pole has empty space under it?.

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  Phizzy

  This is how they viewed the Cosmos, flat earth, with a tent like dome above, I think this view persisted in Israelite and Jewish thought for a long time, even into the first Century and Paul's time :
  
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  Jeffrey Jackson: Too much excitement got in the way for the ''false dates''

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  annual meeting 2019—talks and 2020 year textthe governing body members are nothing but a bunch of weasels.

  here is a talk by jeffrey jackson on how the governing body ''the slave class'' has remained spiritually awake over 100 years and alerted its members.. he looks back on the ''faithful and discreet slaves'' false dates over the 100 years: '' but at times, we look back over 100 years, and there were times they got excited about a certain year or time, and the end didn't come at that time.''.

  he makes the comparison between the ''slave class ( who disappointed others when the end didn't come ) to a barking watchdog ( who in his enthusiasm barks at nothing in the middle of the night and wakes up the owner).

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  Phizzy

  " There are no false dates. False expectations, but not false dates."

  1975 was a false date.
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  Can the org's finances be viewed?

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does anyone know where to view the wtbts of new york and pennsylvania's financial records?.

  i mean, they are registered charities aren't they, so surely their income/expenditures must be open to scrutiny?.

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  Phizzy

  The Org. are masters of obfuscation concerning their many A/C's. You can see if you do get to examine them, a lot is covered by matters they do not explain.
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  New NWT

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is it very different from the old version?.

  has it changed much?.

  how can i get a copy?

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  Phizzy

  " It is of course also available online in full on their website." Thanks SBF, you don't have to go to the website then the NWT, just type in the Book Chapter & Verses and you will be taken to the relevant place in the NWT, its still on the JW site, but quicker.
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  2023-Price-Per-Publisher!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  2023-price per publisher.. .

  https://imgbox.com/jshf0csu .

  atlantis!.

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  Phizzy

  USD/JMD = 0.0064767785

  One J dollar is worth jack shit !