A lot of these "jokes" went around among J.W's when I was a kid, like who is the shortest bloke in the Bybull, Knee-Hi-miah. Sigh. And " Did you know baseball was mentioned in the Bible?… It starts off “In the big inning…”
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Whatever happened to JW paedo Michael Porter?
by LoveUniHateExams ini remember reading about this guy in a national newspaper in 2010 after he had had his trial for child sex abuse.
porter avoided prison, despite being guilty of some acts child abuse.. the local elders defended him and were on his side and didn't df him, from what i remember.
then after an outcry porter was was df'd, and i think sent to prison.. anyone up-to-date on this?.
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Phizzy
For those unfamiliar with this monster, this from an older Post :
Man escapes jail for sex attacks
A Jehovah's Witness has escaped a jail term after admitting a series of sexual assaults on children and adults in Clevedon . Michael Porter, an elder in the religion, pleaded guilty to 24 counts of indecent assault and gross indecency on 13 victims aged 18 months and older. Among the individuals were others involved in the faith. Porter was put on the Sex Offenders Register
Judge Crowther at Bristol Crown Court sentenced Porter to three years of community rehabilitation.
Porter's sister, Tina Hughes, said: "I am absolutely disgusted. He should not have walked free.Many of the families involved have been completely traumatised Det Con Lisa Finch
"He has lost nothing. We have to tell the victims we have got no closure. He is an evil person. He is not human." Porter carried out the assaults between 1986 and 2000.
He was banned from working with anyone under the age of 18 and and put on the Sex Offenders Register.
Det Con Lisa Finch, of Avon and Somerset Police, said: "Many of the families involved have been completely traumatised. It has turned their lives upside down."
Porter declined to comment as he left court with his wife.He remains an elder in the religion. -
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Cult or High Control Group?
by MillennialDawn ini see this phrase a lot: "the indication of a cult is what happens when you leave.
" i'm not sure where that originated, but it is a faulty categorization.
"cult" is almost always used in a derogatory way.
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Phizzy
"It’s a bit wordy, but IMO, break it down into its component parts and I think even the most die-hard JW loyalist would have trouble refuting the label."
I have used that definition of what the J.W Org. is many times on-line, here of course, but even on another discussion forum where J.W's were involved in the individual discussion.
I have NEVER had a J.W or anyone else challenge THAT definition, hence I use it always, in preference to saying "Cult".
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Cult or High Control Group?
by MillennialDawn ini see this phrase a lot: "the indication of a cult is what happens when you leave.
" i'm not sure where that originated, but it is a faulty categorization.
"cult" is almost always used in a derogatory way.
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O.K Bluesy, "High Control, Mind Control Group."
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Cult or High Control Group?
by MillennialDawn ini see this phrase a lot: "the indication of a cult is what happens when you leave.
" i'm not sure where that originated, but it is a faulty categorization.
"cult" is almost always used in a derogatory way.
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Phizzy
I NEVER use the word "Cult" when talking to, or about J.W. Org, people have different ideas about the definition of "Cult", and you get in to a pointless discussion on the meaning.
I always say: " Authoritarian Mind Control Group." Authoritarian", because of the hundreds of Rules, and Mind Control is self explanatory.
I have never had anyone come back to me and deny that definition of the Org. is in any way wrong.
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My Most Memorable Circuit & District Overseers
by MillennialDawn ini would love to hear from anyone who may have encountered the following the traveling overseers:.
david wesley - an incredibly kind and humble man.
just the most down-to-earth co you'll ever find.
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Going back to Big Jim Buckingham, a couple or three of memories have come back to me, one favourable , one maybe not so much !
My first sight of him was when he arrived at our family business to pick up a car we were lending him, as there was no Circuit car then, this is the late 1960's.
I saw Big Jim and his wife get off the 'bus, and thought "That is definitely them !", J.W's are always identifiable by their strange garb, no matter what year it is.
We were lending Jim a nearly new red Mini, the original, tiny, Mini, seeing him squeeze his large frame in to that was fun !
Another memory was him doing his Congo visit a month and half after I stopped Regular Pioneering, he took me aside and had a word about the fact that while pioneering I had done 110 hours or so a month, the month after I stopped, I reported just one Hour, he kindly asked me to get a bit more regular. I didn't argue, but could have pointed out I went straight back to working 5 and a half days of hard work and long hours.
The other , now I realise, unfavourable memory was a talk he gave stressing the imminence of 1975, I clearly remember him gesturing expressively how Jehovah's judgement would come down on the Wicked " Swish, Swish, Swish" in that year, just about 6 years away then.
A couple of years after '75 an Elder asked if I still had the notes I had taken of that Talk, so he could use them in a Letter he was writing to the Org. about that 1975 debacle, I had taken Notes with it all in, but sadly, had disposed of them by then.
Apart from that, Jim was a good guy IMO.
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My Most Memorable Circuit & District Overseers
by MillennialDawn ini would love to hear from anyone who may have encountered the following the traveling overseers:.
david wesley - an incredibly kind and humble man.
just the most down-to-earth co you'll ever find.
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Phizzy
Yup, John Blaney was one hell of a character, who came over as sincere, but full of fun. There are many stories about him, some I would estimate to be apocryphal, but maybe not ?
He ended up in the London Bethel, with dementia, but played tricks on the lads tasked with looking after him ! He never lost his sense of fun !.
He started out his adult J.W life as a young man on a bicycle, with his literature strapped on the back, cycling in to parts of England where no J.W's were ! In the 1920's I think. He certainly had done his time as a preacher !
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My Most Memorable Circuit & District Overseers
by MillennialDawn ini would love to hear from anyone who may have encountered the following the traveling overseers:.
david wesley - an incredibly kind and humble man.
just the most down-to-earth co you'll ever find.
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Thanks George, yea, Dotty by name and nature ! The Austen 7 must have been an old car even then !
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My Most Memorable Circuit & District Overseers
by MillennialDawn ini would love to hear from anyone who may have encountered the following the traveling overseers:.
david wesley - an incredibly kind and humble man.
just the most down-to-earth co you'll ever find.
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Phizzy
I remember Graham Carmichael, he did have a sense of humour ! and not the practiced/scripted jokes the C.O says at every Congregation, and his poor wife has to force a snigger !
I never got to have a drink with him, but did with a couple, one who stayed with us when we were young was Albert Broad,C.O and then D.O, he was an O.K guy, and as long as I stocked the fridge with his favourite Bulldog Ale, and he was allowed to watch Cartoons on T.V, he was as happy as Larry ! His missus, forget her name, was bit strange, sweet enough, but always wanted to do the washing up ! she said it was because she didn't have her own kitchen.
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Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?
by Vanderhoven7 ini hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.
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Phizzy
I am pleased to see this result in Court............ Elders take note ! Always do the Morally Right thing, do not try to circumvent the Law, or YOU will pay !
Even if the law where you are does not lay down Mandatory Reporting, it is your Moral Responsibility to report even a hint of Abuse, the Authorities are qualified to decide on the accuracy of rumours, qualified to protect and care for Victims, YOU are not !
Your first concern should be protection of the vulnerable, not the Org.
YOU are not the Police, or Qualified in Social and Mental care.
Porter was put on the Sex Offenders Register
Det Con Lisa Finch