this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!
reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.
"They used to use scriptures to back it up." Too true ! there were a few in some neighbouring Congregations to mine, and at least one in mine, that REFUSED to Report time.
The C.O on his visit spent one of his talks mostly showing from Scripture why they SHOULD !
so everyone knows the “big news” of this past weekend, no more reporting of hours, placements, return visits, etc.
beginning november 1, jws just tick a box indicating whether they “shared in any form of the ministry during the month”.. so there was a brief comment by a redditor that seems like a brief joke “throwaway comment” but after thinking about it….why not?.
the idea is, what is “any form of the ministry”?
" They have effectively made “active publisher” so easy to accomplish that it is now an utterly meaningless designation. "
That was part of the reason for doing it, if over 8 million JW's tick the box, then they can claim over 8 million active members worldwide. Thus making their retention figures look better for a while, The young ones are leaving in droves it seems, so won't be ticking any boxes !
jehovah's witnesses are not encouraging university education... but those who are lawyers already can apply to volunteer to help at bethel.. https://youtu.be/5d_-1lbg-oc?si=fsxeewic-fkczu9p.
" having less-than-ideal clients could get bad for business. " Especially if those lawyers lose in Court, not good for business, perhaps the JW org will become as untouchable as Trump. please, only piss-poor Lawyers to choose from.
this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!
reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.
"Truly, Jehovah’s Witnesses have a bunch of meathead dimwits running this religion!🤣" I agree with that as applied to the G.B, but the shadowy Financial and Legal guys are maybe not the sharpest tools in the box compared to others in "the World", but THEY I'm sure a behind this move.
As said earlier in this Thread, it distances the Org. from the accusation of "Agency" over JW's responsible directly for Abuse or those who should have prevented it. Therefore liability is denied, and the poor victims do not get their deserved Justice from "Jehovah's loving Org." Or even a degree of Closure, they remain Victims for the rest of their lives. That is both mercenary and Cruel.
Follow the Money is always a good dictum when they do ANYTHING these days.
by the time you reach the nine minute and forty one second mark you will know why i posted this.this may be old news to you - but i just discovered it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74s7jg1fdf4&t=582s.
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I am sure this verdict could be torn to shreds by any capable Lawyer.
this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!
reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.
" allows each publisher to indicate that he or she shared in any form of the ministry during the month."
As I alluded to above, I bet some very creative definitions of sharing in some form of ministry are invented !
Terry, in the other thread on this, has made the reasonable assumption a bit more solid, that $$$ are also behind the move, making proving, in Court, the Org. has responsibility for Abuse within its ranks ever harder.
this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!
reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.
I do wonder if Retention, especially of younger members is a reason, 99,9% hate going D to D.
Perhaps as well , the well justified charge of them being an Authoritarian High Control Group made often by me, and many other ex-JW's, is hitting them. Or they think it is, and they can now say things like : "Isn't it wonderful that our god Jehoober trusts us as his faithful servants to do his work of saving lives, doing us much as our hearts motivate us to do."
This Control Method of time reporting now having gone for good, I am hoping a relaxing of the Shunning policy follows, that is the now remaining overt Control method that causes people who know about it to reject their blandishments, and rightly label them a Cult. We can but hope.
this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!
reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.
" They DO NOT want to show how badly the numbers have tanked." That was my thought as I started reading this Thread, no more will they have to declare someone "spiritually weak" or an irregular publisher, the latter being the important of the two, to them,the G.B, anyone can make an excuse in their mind and say "Well, I said so-and-so to that guy, so I have taken part in FS this month" and tick the box.
It means that any kind of attempt at pastoral care is gone, how will Elders know who is a keen Witness or is just jogging along ?
I cannot suppress the suspicion that somehow $$$ are behind this, they always are, with the org. Is it because they can continue to pretend to the World they have a large active membership ?
sometimes things don't come across the way the speaker intended.. years ago there was an ad by the whitegoods company fisher and paykel.
they showed them going to great lengths to get customer feedback on what was important to them.
one customer said that she wanted it to be easy to get her appliances serviced when they broke down.
One insidious thing they say, the Org. in writing, and picked up by individual JW's is "But where will you go ?" , this is used on those fading away, and is a blatant Mind Control Method.
In the Org's mind, and that of J.W's you are supposed to conclude there is no alternative to the Cult, but, if you have started to use Critical Thinking Skills you think to yourself things like : " Why should I go anywhere, but just not come here ?", " Of course there are multiple choices open for me" etc.
It doesn't REALLY mean there are no alternatives, just that they do not want you to make those choices.
i remember reading about this guy in a national newspaper in 2010 after he had had his trial for child sex abuse.
porter avoided prison, despite being guilty of some acts child abuse.. the local elders defended him and were on his side and didn't df him, from what i remember.
then after an outcry porter was was df'd, and i think sent to prison.. anyone up-to-date on this?.
He got 18 months in jail, after Baroness Scotland had the case looked at again, due to a Public Outcry.
Referring to the original sentence after jailing Porter on Wednesday, Lord Justice Gage said: "The judge took a course which he recognised as lenient and he described the case as exceptional.
"We can understand the judge's reasons for doing so. We recognise that the offender has made considerable efforts to ensure he doesn't commit any offences of this type again."
"But we have to recognise that these were serious offences committed on a number of young children and adolescents over a long time. These offences required an element of punishment as well as an element of mercy. They must be marked with a custodial sentence."
BUT where is he now ? he will ALWAYS be a danger to the vulnerable, and the JW Org. is a Paedophile Paradise, they have no active programme operating to protect the vulnerable.
