a lot of ink has been spilled on the topic of the cross.
the wt felt it had uncovered some deep conspiracy when they found a number of words were used to describe how jesus was understood to have been killed.
there was an extensive thread many years ago that in short strongly supports the conclusion that at least some nt writers envisioned a cross, while others had a tree in mind.
Thanks PP for the Thread, and particularly your post above, that is a very clearly and well expressed summation of what happened.
We of course cannot know what was in the minds of the Gospel Writers, but I think your analogy of the "Left Behind" Books is a good one, and really fits what I imagine the Writer of "Mark" did, he wrote a Novel, then "Luke" and "Matthew" added to it, perhaps in their minds their Works being more the writing of a Gospel.
did you ever go to the haysbridge assembly hall in surrey?.
post your experiences.
the assembly hall i believe used to be a reformed school for boys and was completely renovated and dedicated in 1985.. it was the only assembly hall i knew of that sold souvenir pens, book marks and notepads.. .
" Can somebody approve that it's sold or at least, that it's not in use anymore?"
If it has been sold, what do they use instead ? That Hall served a wide catchment area !
i been reading quite a few experiences on reddit lately, and their seems to be a common theme coming up….
…dialed-up-to-eleven shunning of xjws by their witness relatives.. it reminds me of back in the day, listening to some of the over-the-top vitriol displayed by hard-core loyalists when the topic of evolution or apostates came up….
…i was gobsmacked when i finally realized these guys weren’t offended and indignant because they thought it was lies….
That is so sad Ron.W, minds not just closed, but welded shut. That is a condition that is unlikely to change as long as they live.
I guess even if there was a complete collapse of the org. and it was no more, (not going to happen), they would still say "But they did have the truth",
The Mind Control goes so very deep with many, probably with the majority who are still in.
The Mind Control has indeed been well embedded, and has been subtle enough in recent times to bring about the effect that Vidiot outlined in his O.P, a view of things that goes beyond all Reason.
That is a true observation of what the J.W idea of the Kingdom will be. I even said as much to an Elder when I was an active J.W, that their vision would be Hell on Earth, and he agreed with me !
i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?
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Iwant2know posted :" Phizzy said:
Hence all of their unique Doctrines are false, using just the Bible to prove them so.
What do you mean?"
I shall repost Van's excellent explanation of what I meant in the above :
" The truth is
Every unique doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses is extra-biblical, .ie., not found in the Bible.
Every teaching that is unique and original to the religion, is derived by eisegesis rather than exegesis I.e., speculation additional to scripture. "
i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?
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Interpretation of Scripture, in a scholarly or even adult way, is an expertise entirely lacking in the J.W org.
Hence all of their unique Doctrines are false, using just the Bible to prove them so.
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Immense thanks Atlantis !! This is so useful, this information informs us of the latest crafty moves by the Org. to try to absolve them from their Moral Duty to fully protect the vulnerable, and of course try to wriggle out of paying rightful compensation to the poor Victims.
What a disgusting Org, they are ! caring ONLY for $$$ and having zero care for people !
Christian they ARE NOT !!
Thanks again.
thank you atlantis for the emails that you send out to so many of us.
in one email that i received dated 21st october was a jw document title "information for patients requiring chemotherapy or surgery".
the organization never ceases to shock and i was disgusted with the information included in this document because it leads to their followers not getting the best medical care, not just because of their no blood policy but because of the other repercussions which they highlight in this information guide.. they begin by stating they are not giving medical advice, just information to help individuals make their own decisions.. point 7 states.
" stating they are not giving medical advice, just information to help individuals make their own decisions. "
That Rider has been added so they cannot be sued and have to pay compensation, when their murderous, unscriptural advice is followed,
so they mentioned noah couldn’t have preached to all the population back before the flood.
do you think they might start using common sense regarding not being able to get every animal type on the ark from the whole world?.
maybe the poor sloth from south america didn’t have to crawl all the way?
The Flood Story is plainly an Interpolation in Genesis, and is based upon an earlier Pagan mythic Fable we find in the Epic of Gilgamesh, and goes right back to ancient Sumer of 7,000 years ago, and may be an even older Myth, but as writing was invented in Sumer, it is the earliest example of it that we have.
The Genesis version takes many features exactly, word for word in some instances, and in the same order, as we find them in the earlier versions of the Fable.
The Joker who got it in to Genesis would laugh his socks off, if he returned today and saw how J.W's and others view it.
Absolutely sickening.
