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  My decision.

  by MissDaSilva in

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  i’ve decided to disassociate from the jw organisation.

  i cannot be part of a community that blatantly rejects the sacrifice of jesus in that demonic memorial ritual.

  amazing what information you find when you start researching.. i’m writing my letter and posting it to the kingdom hall this morning.

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  Phizzy

  You and Top Rat have gone off Topic Jan, but I would like to see the conversation continued on its own Thread !
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  Ban on Independent Meetings

  by lssjr in

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  source - march 2021 announcements - - https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5085868283920384/2021-march-147-english-german-announcements-reminders.

  this is a sobering reminder of what happened some 40 years ago when raymond franz and others were literally kicked out from the jehovah's witnesses for having pre-arranged private spiritual discussions.lesson: paragraph 7 is another example of the i and t in dr. steven hassan's bite model of the 21st century cult - information and thought control at its best!!!!

  "my gosh, there must be a lot of independent meetings these days.

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  Phizzy

  " Yeh, good job ... Governing Body. " It does seem that this particular iteration of the G,B is particularly inept at handling anything at all, worse than ever, and previous G.B's were terrible at it !

  Every move they make now has the effect of doing more damage to the Org.

  Long may they continue to blunder on in this manner !
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  My decision.

  by MissDaSilva in

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  2. friends

  i’ve decided to disassociate from the jw organisation.

  i cannot be part of a community that blatantly rejects the sacrifice of jesus in that demonic memorial ritual.

  amazing what information you find when you start researching.. i’m writing my letter and posting it to the kingdom hall this morning.

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  Phizzy

  " it’s far better to fade ", for some yes. We did, for the family still in reason, but it brings no closure fro me. I have decided to stay the way I am for the future though, after so many years I see no advantage to us in Disassociating.

  Miss da Silva has made her decision, but this Thread must be so helpful to J.W's contemplating their future moves.
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  crazy ebay listing

  by stan livedeath in

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  i was searching a sellers listings for my hobby stuff--model railways--and the seller has listed this amongst it.. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/395090358779?hash=item5bfd3871fb:g:qmyaaoswidnliyfk.

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  Phizzy

  That brought back memories for me too BB, we used to be expected to flog the old Green coloured NWT D. to D.

  I think sales would have been higher, if they hadn't gone for that god-awful colour ! Was that just to make it look different from "Christendom's Bible" ??

  The NWT was a better version to use than the KJV Bible, but suffered from not having a single real Scholar of the original languages on the Committee, and of course from " Believer Bias" , the main driver being the weird ideas of Freddie Franz.

  The latest iteration of the NWT is worse in many ways, more blatant and unashamed in ignoring the real meaning of Scripture, to push their wacky Doctrines.

  Thanks for Posting Stan !
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  "We're living in the final part of the last days, undoubtedly the final part of the final part of the last days....

  by Ron.W. in

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  "we're living in the final part of the last days, undoubtedly the final part of the final part of the last days, shortly before the last day of the last days!!!".

  how are they going to phrase this in ten years time......

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  Phizzy

  "Some ran ahead" ?
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  Why disfellowship must be eliminated for the survival of the WT itself

  by TheScientist in

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  this topic i digress about why the watchtower relaxing the rules of disfellowship is essential for its survival.

  many things i'm going to say are not my ideas, some are, the point is, i'm condensing everything in a logical and concise way.. the first thing we have to keep in mind is that the wt's main objective in instituting disfellowship has always been not to lose members because of the damage that a dissident could do, or to avoid gaining new members because of the bad reputation of a confessed sinner in the his/her region.

  in the end, the more active members, the more money to the coffers.. in this case of disfellowship due to apostasy, to avoid any spark, texts were sought out of context that even prohibited saying "hi".

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  Phizzy

  You may well be right Van, but can you stop at that and not give the Org. any more ideas please ?

  By the way, if they do exactly as you say, surely that makes you their Spirit Guide ? LOL
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  spirit directed organization

  by enoughisenough in

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  i was watching a video about wt and money and the "brother" refers to the "spirit directed organization.

  " he also says they use donations wisely and modestly.

  are the gb so deluded and therefore their followers?

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  Phizzy

  They have always wanted things both ways, with this, and other matters, and often speak out of both sides of their mouths. Deception and speaking with a Forked Tongue is the G.B's and the Org's special skill.
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  Why disfellowship must be eliminated for the survival of the WT itself

  by TheScientist in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this topic i digress about why the watchtower relaxing the rules of disfellowship is essential for its survival.

  many things i'm going to say are not my ideas, some are, the point is, i'm condensing everything in a logical and concise way.. the first thing we have to keep in mind is that the wt's main objective in instituting disfellowship has always been not to lose members because of the damage that a dissident could do, or to avoid gaining new members because of the bad reputation of a confessed sinner in the his/her region.

  in the end, the more active members, the more money to the coffers.. in this case of disfellowship due to apostasy, to avoid any spark, texts were sought out of context that even prohibited saying "hi".

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  Phizzy

  "in the truth" ?????
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  Why disfellowship must be eliminated for the survival of the WT itself

  by TheScientist in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this topic i digress about why the watchtower relaxing the rules of disfellowship is essential for its survival.

  many things i'm going to say are not my ideas, some are, the point is, i'm condensing everything in a logical and concise way.. the first thing we have to keep in mind is that the wt's main objective in instituting disfellowship has always been not to lose members because of the damage that a dissident could do, or to avoid gaining new members because of the bad reputation of a confessed sinner in the his/her region.

  in the end, the more active members, the more money to the coffers.. in this case of disfellowship due to apostasy, to avoid any spark, texts were sought out of context that even prohibited saying "hi".

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  Phizzy

  With the Disfellowshipping thing, this may have already been said, but they are never going to drop it, who gets rid of an effective tool, where nothing else will perform the same function ?

  They may modify the criteria for DFing, similar to how they keep lowering the Bar to qualify as an MS or Elder, they may RAISE the bar to get yourself DF'd

  For example, if it is "sexual sin", stressing to Elders that the errant one must be given every chance over a period of time to repent, "it may take some time to bring a person to Repentance". And similarly when dealing with Doctrinal differences more time than in past may be spent "re-adjusting" the person, which in reality means getting them to shelve what they have discovered.

  And if the Elders have decided a person is a " Spiritual Danger", time may be recommended so as to persuade the person to keep their trap shut.

  In the past, as in my case, the very first 2 Elder "Shepherding call" was only with the purpose of getting a quick DFing accomplished, the Org. may discourage that attitude.
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  My decision.

  by MissDaSilva in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i’ve decided to disassociate from the jw organisation.

  i cannot be part of a community that blatantly rejects the sacrifice of jesus in that demonic memorial ritual.

  amazing what information you find when you start researching.. i’m writing my letter and posting it to the kingdom hall this morning.

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  Phizzy

  It is good to get a resolution, to stop the "Hounding", and really although I advocate a "Fade" to most people at first, because D.Aing can be done later, the result is much the same.

  We "faded" because we had close family still in, some have passed away now, but the remaining ones talk to us on occasion, but effectively they shun us in most ways, and of course we never hear from old J.W folk we lived among for many decades.

  So, well done ! may you now put J.Wism behind you, if you need help with info. we are here for you, and JWFacts.com is an excellent resource. I advise researching anything that gives you fear, like the "Armageddon" nonsense for example. It is necessary not to just take yourself out of the religion, but to take the religion out of you.

  All the Very Best to you and Yours for a Wonderful Free Future !