Posts by Phizzy

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What do Jehovah's Witnesses believe?

by Vanderhoven7 in

thought this summary from helge kare fauskanger was well written and worth sharing.. "for starters, imagine a distinctly insular form of protestant fundamentalism minus the trinity (god and jesus are held to be separate beings, and the holy spirit is god's active power rather than a person).

note: since the witnesses want to think of their faith as something absolutely unique, they themselves will not agree that they are either protestant or fundamentalist.. * very important to call god by his proper name of jehovah, and as noted, you must not get him mixed up with jesus.

jesus is not part of the godhead but "actually" the first created being, through whom jehovah created the rest of the universe.

Phizzy

" Such as JWs refuse to fight in wars and have been the most imprisoned and persecuted religious group of the past century as a result." Good point !

And much unjustified persecution is heaped upon them for not openly supporting the State, hence they are perceived, quite wrongly, as enemies of the State in question.

It is amazing to think that Posters on here can clearly and correctly identify what J.W's believe and teach today (tomorrow it may be different of course !), but nearly every J.W today CANNOT DO SO ! all they are capable of is referring people to their J.W org, Site, which is designed more to obfuscate what they actually believe and practice, rather than to inform.

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Door to Door

by pontoon in

just wondering if the witnesses still go door to door.

once in a while i see them doing their cart work and my still in relatives talk about going out in cart work, never mention door to door.

i haven't had a knock on my door since probably 2 years before covid.

Phizzy

But with D. to D. now all but dead in reality, we won't get those opportunities, where in the past I am sure well informed and well expressed comments have planted seeds of doubt at the very least !

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Article: Pa. courts weigh whether Jehovah's Witnesses elders must report confessed child abuse

by AndersonsInfo in

https://pennrecord.com/stories/654791353-pa-courts-weigh-whether-jehovah-s-witnesses-elders-must-report-confessed-child-abuse.

harrisburg – after the commonwealth court of pennsylvania dismissed a petition from a group of jehovah’s witnesses nearly two years ago, which argued the confidentiality of their confessions shielded them from being mandatory reporters of child abuse, the supreme court of pennsylvania overruled their colleagues and decided the commonwealth court must re-examine the action.. in a 24-page memorandum opinion authored by state supreme court chief justice debra todd and handed down feb. 13, the court found that their commonwealth court contemporaries violated the coordinate jurisdiction rule – which states “judges of coordinate jurisdiction sitting in the same case should not overrule each other’s decisions” – by its initial pair of separate findings that ivy hill congregation of jehovah’s witnesses did not have proper standing against the commonwealth’s department of human services, and that a grant of declaratory relief would not terminate the legal controversy.. todd was joined in the opinion by supreme court of pennsylvania justices christine donohue, kevin m. dougherty, david n. wecht and sallie updyke mundy.

justices p. kevin brobson and daniel mccaffery did not participate in the consideration or decision of this matter.. “appellant is a congregation of approximately 140 individuals in philadelphia, pennsylvania, who follow the tenets of the jehovah’s witnesses religion.

Phizzy

It seems to me that this may end up with the clarification that if a crime of any kind is suspected, a Clergyman or whoever, is bound in Law to report it to the Authorities.

This has been the case in U.K law since the Reformation, where Priest/Penitent Confidentiality does not apply when a Crime is suspected.

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Progress on the NWT Study Bible

by slimboyfat in

the society has been working on the nwt study bible since the revised nwt was released in 2013. so far they done the nt up to philemon.

that makes about 17% of the entire bible including the hebrew/aramaic scriptures.

at that rate the study edition of the whole nwt will be completed sometime around the year 2077. .

Phizzy

" They think that by accurately translating, " They have zero interest in accurately translating and properly rendering Scripture, to do so would expose many of their doctrines etc, as VERY dodgy !

Slimboy, I wonder if they perhaps are losing some people tasked with this work ? This happened to a guy who used to Post here 20 or so years ago, when he worked on Translating the French edition of the NWT. Was his name Nicolai or similar ? he often commented on Leo's Threads, and had a very good knowledge of Hebrew and Greek.

The present team have to go back to the best MSS, have to look at how other Versions render Scriptures, and ask why, dangerous territory for a JW !

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The Date for the Memorial is WRONG this year!

by Kelley959 in

an interesting video was on youtube with a person claiming that the memorial date for 2024 was wrong.

so i consulted three different jewish calendars online and sure enough, he appears to be right.

i went back to 2014 and forward to 2027. they have the future dates listed.

Phizzy

There is also a Thread by the incredible Leolaia, from years ago, which in addition to Jeffro's perhaps ? shows that EVERY year they get it wrong ! Their method of calculating is wrong of course, but Leolaia showed from the historical roots of Passover why it is wrong every year IIRC.

But as above, they really do not care, it gives them a feeling of superiority that they know better than the Jewish Scholars !

Many years ago when I first left, I had read Leo's Thread, and spoke about what I knew to an elderly JW lady, a former F.T. Pioneer and full on J.W, who surprised me by saying, as she walked away " I don't CARE if it is on the wrong day !", I think that attitude would be general now among J.W's.

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Just had a thought…

by Vidiot in

i been reading quite a few experiences on reddit lately, and their seems to be a common theme coming up….

…dialed-up-to-eleven shunning of xjws by their witness relatives.. it reminds me of back in the day, listening to some of the over-the-top vitriol displayed by hard-core loyalists when the topic of evolution or apostates came up….

…i was gobsmacked when i finally realized these guys weren’t offended and indignant because they thought it was lies….

Phizzy

I had an e-mail chat with a Christadelphian , when I first left, who helped me find the information I was looking for to show that if Jesus was going to appoint anyone as an FDS in1918/9, it would have been the Christadelphians, looking at it from a JW perspective, as what the Christadelphians taught back then in 1919, was exactly the same as JW's called "Present truth" in the year of my asking him, all bar the actual year of 1914 etc.

So why would Jesus choose Rutherford & Co in1919? when you look at all the discarded dross the Rutherfordites were teaching then ! As Ray Franz said that claim is an "Insult to Jesus".

When I left, two Elders did a "Shepherding" visit, trying to get me to admit to Apostasy in some way. That didn't work.

But JW's see Apostasy as the Greatest Sin of All, how silly !

I wonder how widespread the "ramping up" of shunning is geographically ? Has something prompted this just in the USA, or is it worldwide ?

I must say I was surprised about this, as an Elder relative recently dropped in to see how we were, he knows not to talk religion, but was very friendly and normal. (for a JW Elder).

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How would you define RELIGION, and why?

by Fernando in

"judge" rutherford defined or classified all religion as "a snare and a racket" in his books "religion" and "enemies".. after rutherford's death in 1942, his protege, watchtower vice president, and aclu darling, hayden c. covington, in the early 1950's, for reasons of legal expedience and supremacist aspirations, suddenly converted the watchtower into a religion.. this was done alongside one of the most audacious, spurious and longstanding swindles of the us legal system.

this involved twisting philippians 1:7 and misrepresenting the watchtower's true nature, objectives and activities.. .

this meant that it became necessary for the watchtower to suddenly reclassify and redefine religion (w51 1/15 p. 43 new legal booklet well named; w51 8/15 p. 511 questions from readers; yb75 p. 161 part 2 "for gladys bolton...").. two new watchtower classifications were suddenly created: "true religion" and "false religion".. now "true religion" meant "true beliefs" whilst "belief" in ever changing watchtower doctrine was equated with the one "faith" of scripture.. all this while the watchtower increasingly and maliciously truncated, obfuscated and hid the liberating full "good news" (or unabridged gospel) of scripture, which it lyingly claimed (in court) that it was actually "defending and legally establishing".. how would you have defined religion before learning ttatt?.

Phizzy

"Religion was invented when the first priest met the first Gullible Fool" , Mark Twain.

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The Evolution of Judas Iscariot

by Leolaia in

the story of judas iscariot in the gospels provides the reader with a fascinating picture of how the plot and details of the narratives were gleaned from the ot and embellished in different ways.

the evangelists and the tradents that preceded them looked to the ot (and other affiliated literature) for information on what happened to jesus, employing a haggadaic method of biblical interpretation similar to how rabbis and authors of pseudepigraphs in the second temple era expanded the brief stories of the patriarchs in genesis with reams of new detail and legendary episodes -- through the means of exegesis aimed to penetrate beyond a plain reading of the text to "fill in the blanks" of what must have happened.

the authors of the gospels also scoured through the ot to discover what was supposed to happen to jesus and wrote their stories accordingly.

Phizzy

Oh dear, an Ad hominem attack ! P.S. you just lost all credibility as far as I am concerned,and trumpeting your qualifications is not impressive.

A good number of Scholars have come to wrong conclusions in the past, and often because without realising it, they were looking at the Texts with believer's eyes. Or they were just plain wrong.

Just address what you disagree with, and back it up with more than mere opinion, and you may regain some credibility.

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Comedian Katt Williams Wrongly Disfellowshipped By Jehovah's Witnesses!!!

by Golden4Altar in

comedian katt williams wrongly disfellowshipped by jehovah's witnesses!!!.

here is the link: https://jehovahstruth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59.

golden 4altar.

Phizzy

"wrongly" is redundant ", well yes, as the whole Disfellowshipping thing the Org. does is unscriptural in every feature, as we here know.

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Oh boy: 1,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses reach out to Super Bowl fans in Las Vegas

by Tahoe in

https://www.fox5vegas.com/2024/02/09/1000-jehovahs-witnesses-reach-out-super-bowl-fans-las-vegas/ .

1000 lit-up carts at 50 strategic locations near the stadium and on the strip.

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Phizzy

" What will be the result? None. "

I agree Gorby, not a single convert from that Public Relations exercise I bet, but the Org. does not care, they know JW's will not go D to D hardly at all in any meaningful way.

So this is to keep the J.W's busy busy, and to persuade the gullible J.W's that they are "Preaching the Good News", when zero actual preaching is involved !