Posts by Phizzy

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Lawsuits for shunning for decades

by jehovaxx in

now they suddenly examine the context of these scriptures and have come to the conclusion that it only applies to apostates and those who continue in serious sin???????.

there are families torn apart by their shunning policies and some have said the gb are wrong and these scriptures only apply to those carrying on in serious sin?

but no for the last several decades families have been ripped apart for lifelong shunning just because some don’t want to be jws anymore.. the lawsuits that are to come will not make up for life long relationships being ruined.

Phizzy

" only to invite them back to meetings."

Yes, that is the "Direction" from the G,B, but while doing so what an opportunity will be afforded for the J.W's doing so to find out WHY the former J.W left, and why they will probably never go back !

I know the practicing J.W is not supposed to discuss " Spiritual matters" with the former attender, but just one well thought out reply to such an invitation may well plant a seed.

All of these latest moves may be more counter productive for the Org. in reality than they intended, though no doubt will keep up the figures of those attending for a while.

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Lawsuits for shunning for decades

by jehovaxx in

now they suddenly examine the context of these scriptures and have come to the conclusion that it only applies to apostates and those who continue in serious sin???????.

there are families torn apart by their shunning policies and some have said the gb are wrong and these scriptures only apply to those carrying on in serious sin?

but no for the last several decades families have been ripped apart for lifelong shunning just because some don’t want to be jws anymore.. the lawsuits that are to come will not make up for life long relationships being ruined.

Phizzy

" Insolvency might."

Yes, if they are arraigned in Court for the Shunning of the past, they will have to defend themselves, to avoid paying $$$.

I am sure such cases will not be totally successful sadly, to the extent of getting the Org. to abandon such practices, but the cost is still there for the Org. and maybe in individual cases even compensation may have to be paid, but I do not see any Court actually ruling that the practice of shunning cannot continue at some level.

What is not in doubt is DFing and Shunning go against several basic Human Rights, so such Cases will highlight this for the whole World to see, and the Org. will shoot themselves in the foot once again to protect a few $$$.

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When did JWS start disfellowshipping and why?

by lettersfromthevoid in

i know this question has been discussed, but i can't find the topic i was just looking at, so.... one thing about this is that the other posters here didn't mention, that i noticed anyway, that there was this member of the gb in the 40s and early 50s (but possibly during rutherford) who was at odds with rutherford or knorr, and they wanted to do away with them, so they accused (falsely) that person, then they declared that the punishment for that sin was something they invented, or at least once iteration of, what we know as the modern disfellowshipping practice among jws.. so, that is why they invented that doctrine; they.

Phizzy

DFing and Shunning were things in the time of Rutherford, as his words in this WT show :

Watchtower 1920 Apr 1 pp.100,101

"We would not refuse to treat one as a brother because he did not believe the Society is the Lord's channel. If others see it in a different way, that is their privilege. There should be full liberty of conscience."

It is interesting that this very much mirrors what the Org. wishes to achieve now, i.e that treatment of individuals who disagree with the Org, for any reason will not change from the overt practices of the past, but will be identified as INDIVIDUAL JW's "Exercising their Bible trained conscience ".

Thus the Org. can argue in Courts that it is not mandated by them, which we of course KNOW is not true, for individual J.W's to go against their natural love for friends and family would not happen based upon Scripture, but will continue because of fear of being perceived as going against the "direction" of the G.B.

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God, one person, or three?

by slimboyfat in

the trinity doctrine says god is three persons in one being.. yet the bible says god is one.. gal 3.20 a mediator, however, implies more than one party; but god is one.

niv.

gal 3.20 now a mediator is not for just one person, but god is one.

Phizzy

Yahweh became the only god who should be worshipped, according the religious leaders in Judah, but it seems they were still Henotheists more than real Monotheists IMO.

Monotheism in the sense of claiming that pagan gods were not real was a late development.

But it is clear that the Trinity Doctrine was not something made out of whole cloth, it was a natural evolution from the ideas of what the Divinity of Christ consisted of.

Of course, the Scriptures used to justify it could easily be culled from the polytheistic influenced ones of the O.T, as well as the Gospel of John.

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Phizzy

" Notice how jwposter, all through this thread, simply ignores each problem that is pointed out about his incorrect alternative history, and either focuses on what he thinks is his strongest point, or just moves on to the next incorrect assertion. "

This is a favourite technique of Politicians, used all the time, never answer an accusation that you know you are guilty of. Only the best of Interviewers drag the Politician back to the try to make them answer, they will then continue not to, and then claim they have answered it.

I wonder if there is an element of the Dissembler about our friend "jwposter", what is his motive ? or, am I being my usual self, and suspicious where I shouldn't be ? or even, does he really believe his nonsense ?

Thank you once again for your tireless work Jeffro, which is of immense value to those who are Lovers of Truth.

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2024-March-Announcements-Slacks-Ties-Jackets-Serious-Wrongdoing!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

slacks.

ties.

jackets.

Phizzy

Thanks Grandpa, very informative !

So, finally they get a bit sensible on "Dress", and won't look so obviously Cult-like either out in the " Ministry" < that label is joke ! or inside the K.H.

And a very slight relaxation on shunning, and more care on dealing with "wrongdoing" by the under 18's. None of this goes far enough IMHO to make them acceptable as to adhering to Human Rights, but I guess they think they will now be able to persuade a Court that this , just a fraction milder, set of Policies, do not mean they should, as an org. lose $$$. They will argue these are decisions made by individual Congregations in each case, and not mandated by the Org. "We only offer guidance in these matters".

With the matter of Dress I see clearly the hand of a "Worldly" P.R Company behind this move !

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Forget 1914, the 1975 generation are now passing away!

by nowwhat? in

we still have quite a few elderly here that came in as young families in the late 1960's-early 70's because soon, yes very soon they would enter the new system and never grow old.

it's now one year away from 50 years since 1975. just in the last couple years i've seen them come down with alzheimer's, cancer, brain tumors, becoming invalid etc.

the children of them that are now around 60 are just so distraught at seeing their parents deteriorate.

Phizzy

Nobody escapes death eventually, most of us don't escape Taxes either, the G.B and their business do !

The 1975 generation is now on borrowed time, lets hope the G.B are too !

Not just for death, but Taxes too !

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Forget 1914, the 1975 generation are now passing away!

by nowwhat? in

we still have quite a few elderly here that came in as young families in the late 1960's-early 70's because soon, yes very soon they would enter the new system and never grow old.

it's now one year away from 50 years since 1975. just in the last couple years i've seen them come down with alzheimer's, cancer, brain tumors, becoming invalid etc.

the children of them that are now around 60 are just so distraught at seeing their parents deteriorate.

Phizzy

" I can't remember ANY Watchtower prophecy that has come true...can you? "

There isn't ONE ! they have printed a few predictions they have culled from "worldly" sources, but their own have ALL failed !

I am of that generation spoken of in the Thread title, or the generation before perhaps, being born in the 1950's. Many of the J.W's I knew around my age are no longer with us.

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They Came To The Door!

by NotFormer in

jw
friends

going door to door with their "memorial" invitation.

"so you can pass the emblems but nobody partakes?

them: "we can explain who is to partake".. me: "all jesus' followers".

Phizzy

" when the group work together as the Governing Body, they act as 'the faithful and discreet slave'. "

I suppose that is so that they can say anything they like as individual members of the G.B, however wacky, and if it comes back to bite them on the bum, the body of the G.B can distance themselves from it.

But 8 Mill. J.W's will say " The Governing Body said ......."

More subtle, but deniable, Control.

At least we won't have these deluded people coming to our door anymore, D to D is a thing of the Past, except for a Memorial Invitation or similar .... perhaps.

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Article: Ex-Jehovah's Witnesses in Brazil Fight Against Social Ostracism and Seek Dialogue

by AndersonsInfo in

https://bnnbreaking.com/world/brazil/ex-jehovahs-witnesses-in-brazil-fight-against-social-ostracism-and-seek-dialogue.

discover the stories of jefferson alexandrino de lima and fabiano de amo, who challenge the practice of shunning in religious communities.

their experiences shed light on the need for dialogue, respect, and inclusivity.. in 2008, jefferson alexandrino de lima's life took a significant turn after joining the jehovah's witnesses in pernambuco, brazil.

Phizzy

Thanks for Posting this ! It is heartening that around the world people are being made aware of the disgusting Shunning practice carried out by J.W's.

There is now considerable pressure on the very slow moving G.B to DO something abut this, as the Norway case showed, and we have been saying for decades, Shunning violates basic Human Rights.