It will be fascinating to see how far the JW's , especially the PIMO ones, are prepared to go with this. Any "Counsel" by old school types can be ignored, as such people now have no mandate.
How long before we see this ?
Posts by Phizzy
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What are you wearing for the special talk
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inmany are talking on whatsapp about what to wear.
sisters wearing slacks and brothers wearing all sorts of different tops.
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New rules for dress & greeting disfellowshipped: It's even worse!
by neat blue dog ini know they're panicking and trying to gain favor with governments, former members, prospective converts & those who are teetering, all for financial worries.
still, the latest update in some ways made things worse, and if there's any jws watching it who are beginning to wake up it should be very disturbing.. starting with dress codes: they say that suits, ties & skirts are no longer required, but in so doing they admit that they were required, something not often appearing as an explicit command in print.
(similar to how lett referred to the "policy on beards" in his video, even though this direct policy wasn't made available to rank and file.
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Phizzy
The "Hounders" now have no basis upon which to do their "hounding", they simply will have to STFU !
As for the "Stumbling" nonsense, no J.W with any self respect should fall for that`, how can you be "Stumbled" out of the "True religion" over such infantile trivial matters ?
I remember several instances where people had been "stumbled" over quite serious matters, and no action was taken by the Elders against the offending person, and the offended one was left to stew for a very long time, and then, maybe got a "Shepherding" visit".
Anybody hounded now can tell the "hounder" to "go forth and multiply" without a qualm.
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Punkofnice
by jhine indoes anyone know how punky is ?
he hasn't posted in a while ?
jan from tam .
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Phizzy
Just a Bump for this Thread in case anyone who knows Punky ( Paul ? ) hasn't seen it.
He is from the Peterborough area.
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Lawsuits for shunning for decades
by jehovaxx innow they suddenly examine the context of these scriptures and have come to the conclusion that it only applies to apostates and those who continue in serious sin???????.
there are families torn apart by their shunning policies and some have said the gb are wrong and these scriptures only apply to those carrying on in serious sin?
but no for the last several decades families have been ripped apart for lifelong shunning just because some don’t want to be jws anymore.. the lawsuits that are to come will not make up for life long relationships being ruined.
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Phizzy
" only to invite them back to meetings."
Yes, that is the "Direction" from the G,B, but while doing so what an opportunity will be afforded for the J.W's doing so to find out WHY the former J.W left, and why they will probably never go back !
I know the practicing J.W is not supposed to discuss " Spiritual matters" with the former attender, but just one well thought out reply to such an invitation may well plant a seed.
All of these latest moves may be more counter productive for the Org. in reality than they intended, though no doubt will keep up the figures of those attending for a while.
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Lawsuits for shunning for decades
by jehovaxx innow they suddenly examine the context of these scriptures and have come to the conclusion that it only applies to apostates and those who continue in serious sin???????.
there are families torn apart by their shunning policies and some have said the gb are wrong and these scriptures only apply to those carrying on in serious sin?
but no for the last several decades families have been ripped apart for lifelong shunning just because some don’t want to be jws anymore.. the lawsuits that are to come will not make up for life long relationships being ruined.
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Phizzy
" Insolvency might."
Yes, if they are arraigned in Court for the Shunning of the past, they will have to defend themselves, to avoid paying $$$.
I am sure such cases will not be totally successful sadly, to the extent of getting the Org. to abandon such practices, but the cost is still there for the Org. and maybe in individual cases even compensation may have to be paid, but I do not see any Court actually ruling that the practice of shunning cannot continue at some level.
What is not in doubt is DFing and Shunning go against several basic Human Rights, so such Cases will highlight this for the whole World to see, and the Org. will shoot themselves in the foot once again to protect a few $$$.
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When did JWS start disfellowshipping and why?
by lettersfromthevoid ini know this question has been discussed, but i can't find the topic i was just looking at, so.... one thing about this is that the other posters here didn't mention, that i noticed anyway, that there was this member of the gb in the 40s and early 50s (but possibly during rutherford) who was at odds with rutherford or knorr, and they wanted to do away with them, so they accused (falsely) that person, then they declared that the punishment for that sin was something they invented, or at least once iteration of, what we know as the modern disfellowshipping practice among jws.. so, that is why they invented that doctrine; they.
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Phizzy
DFing and Shunning were things in the time of Rutherford, as his words in this WT show :
Watchtower 1920 Apr 1 pp.100,101
"We would not refuse to treat one as a brother because he did not believe the Society is the Lord's channel. If others see it in a different way, that is their privilege. There should be full liberty of conscience."
It is interesting that this very much mirrors what the Org. wishes to achieve now, i.e that treatment of individuals who disagree with the Org, for any reason will not change from the overt practices of the past, but will be identified as INDIVIDUAL JW's "Exercising their Bible trained conscience ".
Thus the Org. can argue in Courts that it is not mandated by them, which we of course KNOW is not true, for individual J.W's to go against their natural love for friends and family would not happen based upon Scripture, but will continue because of fear of being perceived as going against the "direction" of the G.B.
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God, one person, or three?
by slimboyfat inthe trinity doctrine says god is three persons in one being.. yet the bible says god is one.. gal 3.20 a mediator, however, implies more than one party; but god is one.
niv.
gal 3.20 now a mediator is not for just one person, but god is one.
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Phizzy
Yahweh became the only god who should be worshipped, according the religious leaders in Judah, but it seems they were still Henotheists more than real Monotheists IMO.
Monotheism in the sense of claiming that pagan gods were not real was a late development.
But it is clear that the Trinity Doctrine was not something made out of whole cloth, it was a natural evolution from the ideas of what the Divinity of Christ consisted of.
Of course, the Scriptures used to justify it could easily be culled from the polytheistic influenced ones of the O.T, as well as the Gospel of John.
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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar
by jwposter inin my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.
i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.
i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.
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Phizzy
" Notice how jwposter, all through this thread, simply ignores each problem that is pointed out about his incorrect alternative history, and either focuses on what he thinks is his strongest point, or just moves on to the next incorrect assertion. "
This is a favourite technique of Politicians, used all the time, never answer an accusation that you know you are guilty of. Only the best of Interviewers drag the Politician back to the try to make them answer, they will then continue not to, and then claim they have answered it.
I wonder if there is an element of the Dissembler about our friend "jwposter", what is his motive ? or, am I being my usual self, and suspicious where I shouldn't be ? or even, does he really believe his nonsense ?
Thank you once again for your tireless work Jeffro, which is of immense value to those who are Lovers of Truth.
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2024-March-Announcements-Slacks-Ties-Jackets-Serious-Wrongdoing!
by Atlantis inslacks.
ties.
jackets.
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Phizzy
Thanks Grandpa, very informative !
So, finally they get a bit sensible on "Dress", and won't look so obviously Cult-like either out in the " Ministry" < that label is joke ! or inside the K.H.
And a very slight relaxation on shunning, and more care on dealing with "wrongdoing" by the under 18's. None of this goes far enough IMHO to make them acceptable as to adhering to Human Rights, but I guess they think they will now be able to persuade a Court that this , just a fraction milder, set of Policies, do not mean they should, as an org. lose $$$. They will argue these are decisions made by individual Congregations in each case, and not mandated by the Org. "We only offer guidance in these matters".
With the matter of Dress I see clearly the hand of a "Worldly" P.R Company behind this move !
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Forget 1914, the 1975 generation are now passing away!
by nowwhat? inwe still have quite a few elderly here that came in as young families in the late 1960's-early 70's because soon, yes very soon they would enter the new system and never grow old.
it's now one year away from 50 years since 1975. just in the last couple years i've seen them come down with alzheimer's, cancer, brain tumors, becoming invalid etc.
the children of them that are now around 60 are just so distraught at seeing their parents deteriorate.
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Phizzy
Nobody escapes death eventually, most of us don't escape Taxes either, the G.B and their business do !
The 1975 generation is now on borrowed time, lets hope the G.B are too !
Not just for death, but Taxes too !