Posts by Phizzy

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This is a no brainer

by oncebitten in

the insertion of jehovah into the nt is only understandable to me if there was an ot quote.

however by far the vast majority of the time this is not the case.

instead we see clear bias in the nwt.

The Insertion of the Name in the N.T has been debated on other Threads, and I know all the arguments for and against, but what is a "no brainer" is the the JW org. are Hypocritical in doing this, they say that in producing their NWT they follow the rule that if something is not in the earliest MSS, then they do not include it, or they highlight this fact.

The point is, there is not one single early MSS, or fragment thereof, or of course a later one from anywhere near the 1st Century, that writes the Name ANYWHERE in those MSS !

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1963 Resolution Condemning the United Nations

by Sea Breeze in

quote from that world wide resolution: .

that, in order to prevent the destruction of the nations by their own means in war, the nations further refused the surrender of their sovereignty to god’s messianic kingdom by setting up a society of nations, which, since 1945, has taken the form and the name of the united nations, with international headquarters at new york city.

this international organization stands for world sovereignty by political men.

Phizzy

But some of those "Resolutions" fulfilled Bible prophecy according to the Org. !

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WT says 'Church Fathers were leading teachers'

by youdontknowhim in

was it jehovahs witnesses who acknowledge the church father as leading teachers?

this is a very interesting statement by justin.

do you accept origen as an authority when he said jesus is our god?

Phizzy

Thanks for the Link Vienne !

What we see in this is that the various Christological/Theological ideas that originated in the 1st Century C.E or earlier, were continued long after the 1st Century, not news to us of course, but it gives the lie to the impression the J.W Org. and other Sects like to give, that there was a unified set of beliefs held in the 1st Century by one set of Christians, whose beliefs and teachings the J.W's and others could "get back to".

Priestley has decided on a Unitarian view.

But why should just one view of, say, the Divinity of Christ, or when he became Divine or whatever, be the correct one ? "the truth", and who decides now ?

And by what Authority do they decide ? Priestley was deciding for himself, as the other Sects do. The most powerful Sects become the "orthodox", but, as the man with the wooden leg said, it's all a matter of a pinion.

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Moving on in a new chapter

by redsetter2 in

moving on is the hardest thing anyone has to cope with.. i have officially left the org.

and now it feels my family have been waiting to do this for a long time, officially shunning me, even though they were practically doing this whilst i was still in.. it feels like i've accomplished a victory and at the same time i feel guilty i was tangled up in communication with someone who "hid who they were" claiming to leak information from bethel.

i got the call from the man who i thought i worked with.

Phizzy

" No regrets about getting out of there! " .

me too but :

It means even more than "no regrets" to me, once I had left, and got rid of those "vestiges" I had the Freedom of Mind to drink in the pure Waters of Truth, truth that was backed by incontrovertible Facts and Evidence !

It was incredible, and looking back, what I got from the org. was like brackish, sewage infested water, the waters of truth ( REAL Truth) were like drinking from a cool Mountain Stream of the purest water on Earth !

Moving on to a new Chapter is all very well, but in the end, getting to, and drinking of, that Pure Water should be the goal, and may as many as possible achieve that !

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WT says 'Church Fathers were leading teachers'

by youdontknowhim in

was it jehovahs witnesses who acknowledge the church father as leading teachers?

this is a very interesting statement by justin.

do you accept origen as an authority when he said jesus is our god?

Phizzy

Thank you once again Earnest ! I shall have a look at all you have mentioned as soon as I can.

It fascinates me how these guys were so dedicated and motivated to try as best as they could to correct former errors in translation.

It was an exciting time, the C of E was deciding whether to be a "Broad Church" or not, of course the Establishment wanted all Divines and other ones being ordained to sign up to the 39 Articles , an attempt to stifle the thoughts of Priestley and Co. Others in the Cambridge Group wanted free thinking to be permitted, and progress to be made in Doctrine.

Much as we see the struggles that went on among the Church Fathers !

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2024-May-3rd-Announcement-and Transcripts!

by Atlantis in

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2024-05-may-03-announcement.

https://pdfupload.io/docs/faad3e3dtranscripts for 2024 governing body update #3englishhttps://pdfupload.io/docs/ce4ae1d8germanhttps://pdfupload.io/docs/3bf805be spanishhttps://pdfupload.io/docs/a4e3fd3b frenchhttps://pdfupload.io/docs/d37d5822 russianhttps://pdfupload.io/docs/71fe8f28 grandpa!

Phizzy

I noticed that too, and a lot of doublespeak and Mind Control going on, they seem to be back-pedalling somewhat to the J.W's on the "relaxing" of the Dress rules, but none of this will be made public.

There will no doubt be the same technique used with any upcoming "changes", things they can point to for public consumption, but privately there being the old strict "Control" at work for the R&F J.W's.

Plus ça change, eh?

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Pioneer Hours

by Etude in

does anyone know how many hours were required to be a pioneer back in or around 1970?.

etude..

Phizzy

I remember that when I was a Pioneer that some Pios. and ordinary "Publishers" were exaggerating the actual time spent, but our little group of Pio's did not, and I did not for many years until I began to wake up.

One day I was taking the Report Slips out of the Box to hand them to the guy who collated the Report, and I saw the top one, it was from an Elder that I knew never did more than few minutes a week in the "Ministry", yet it showed 16 Hours on it.

I handed the bunch of Reports over, and said to the guy who took them off me "There are some Great Works of Fiction in that lot", he smiled and said yes, and nodded sagely.

If the lies about time didn't fool me and others, how did the ones telling the lies think they were fooling Jehovah ?

They didn't care, as long as when the C.O came to visit he saw how "spiritual" you were, all was fine, what a pathetic charade of a "faith" J.W's are !

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SECRET RECORDING 14TH APRIL:RALPH WALLS: MORE CHANGES ARE COMING!

by raymond frantz in

secret recording 14th april:ralph walls: more changes are coming!.

( broadcasted to all british congregations today).

https://youtu.be/owg4bqj7pd0?si=yvfpkkos_qoy9u10.

Phizzy

Beth Sarim's comment about going through the Rev, Book in 2007 reminded me of the fact that at the time I was fully aware of the whole NGO debacle, and the Org's lies, the infamous Library Card lie for one,

At a Group Study in a private home as they were then, I gave an answer that revealed that there was a problem with the org's close association with "The Beast", but worded it in such a careful way that I seemed not to be criticising the Org. The Elder taking the group was at a loss as to how to react, because he knew nothing of this matter of course, he just mumbled some sort of acknowledgement of my answer, and that was it, I thought he might question me later, but no.

It is noteworthy that just a few months later he was one of the two Elders who tried to trap me in to saying something so that they could D.F me for Apostasy.

But again, having more knowledge than he did, thanks to Posters here on JWD ! he was unable to get me to fall in to his traps.

An updated Book on Revelation I will find hilarious for several reasons, one being that they will totally misinterpret everything in "Revelation" again, but with fresh nonsense, but also that they will totally expunge any attacks on Governments and the U.N because they are coming up against both legally, and in all sorts of ways that will cost them $$$. I think they will stress how the org. and J.W's, as "faithful Christians" should respect and obey "the superior Authorities" that are "placed in position by god", although nothing like that is found in "Revelation", which is a thinly veiled attack on the Roman Emperor.

Rutherford will be spinning in his Grave.

Every move they now come up with is to make them more acceptable to the Public and Governments etc. It is all about the $$$.

But change they must, or go bust.

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Video: Governing Body's Ridiculous Viewpoint of Higher Education

by Golden4Altar in

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governing body's ridiculous viewpoint of higher education.

to see this video, please click this link: https://jehovahstruth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=186#p186.

g4a.

Phizzy

The J.W org. as usual says one thing and does another, as LHG said they are down on Higher Education because anyone who uses a measure of Critical Thinking Skill has questions that the Org. cannot answer honestly, truthfully, such a person is a danger in their midst, that person is aware of the smell of Bullshit, if not the actual length, and breadth, and quantity of it.

As one of my sons said when explaining why he did not stick with the being a J.W

"At University we are taught to question EVERYTHING, and HOW to question it !"

It is that kind of questioning the org. cannot have the R&F doing.

But as an Elder pointed out to me, decades ago, in Bethels they use the Educated, if they can find someone with the education and skills who is a J.W, he or she will be used, and even fast-tracked in to Bethel.

And as we now know, if they cannot find a suitable J.W, they use highly educated and skilled "worldly" people.

Hypocrisy of a very deep and obvious nature. Their stated viewpoint on Higher Education is given the lie by their actions.

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When JW.org drops 607BCE...

by Nathan Natas in

probably everyone else thought of this long ago, but i, being an "independent thunker" thunk of it just a coupla weeks ago.. we all know that since the year zero (on the fredfranzian calendar) the wtb&ts has defied archaeology and insisted that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, even though the physical evidence shows that 587 bce is a more likely date.

in fact, the book "the gentile times reconsidered: have jehovah's witnesses been wrong all along about 607 bce?

" by carl olof jonsson and rud persson made this conversation public.. it is a difference of 20 years.

Phizzy

Mikejw, same old lies then !