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  Lithuania Set to Mirror Norway's Approach on Jehovah's Witnesses

  by raymond frantz in

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  2. scandals

  it is proposed to the seimas not to grant state recognition to the religious community of jehovah's witnesses.

  lithuania05/05/2024 09:30. jehovah's witnesses; baptism associative / e. ovcharenko / bns photo.. it is proposed to the seimas to refuse to grant state recognition to the lithuanian jehovah's witnesses religious community.. community representatives told bns that they hope that parliamentarians, taking into account the practice of the european court of human rights, will make a different decision.. the draft resolution registered by the chairman of the human rights committee of the seimas, tomas vytautas raskevičius, states that this community does not meet the requirements of the constitution and the law, that its education and rites do not conflict with laws and decency.. "the ministry of justice has determined that the religious teaching of this community is possibly not compatible with the constitution of our country in two aspects.

  the first is that jehovah's witnesses oppose blood transfusions due to certain aspects related to health care (...).

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  Phizzy

  The appeal to the Right to Belief is NOT at at issue here, namely Freedom of Religion, which is always trumped by other Human Rights, the ones that guarantee many things such as the Right to Family Life and Freedom of Conscience.

  What is at issue are the Practices, and Policies , based upon mere belief, that the J.W org. enacts, that run counter to those other Human Rights. Hence most civilised Countries ban by Law FGM for example.

  What the J.W org. actually DOES, which deny basic Human Rights, is what is being challenged, and rightly so, and would be upheld by the ECHR, I hope, and am reasonably confident of.
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  Sepherd french 2024

  by Marcial in

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  dear atlantis.

  would you be able to obtain the latest version of the book "sepherd....2024" in french?

  with all my friendship .

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  Phizzy

  Pease convey our heartfelt thanks for the sterling work these lovely guys are doing on our behalf, and again thanks to you for Posting it here.

  All of this is of tremendous help to any J.W who finds this Site, and especially to those with doubts that they have not yet confirmed.

  Kind regards,

  Phizzy.
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  Study in the Work of Late Redactors

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  presently there are a number of hypotheses attempting to disentangle the sources and composition of the ot.

  the 19th century approaches (wellhausen et al.

  ) opened the world's eyes to the reality that the torah and histories are the work of a number of contributors with particular agendas and vocabulary.

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  Phizzy

  Thanks P.P , it is a minefield Textual Criticism, as you say, and we cannot but view the evidence, and draw conclusions we cannot prove satisfactorily in many cases, but this one is very convincing !

  What we can say is that a very corrupted Text, done deliberately with Interpolations and Redactions etc, and the odd Scribal error, is ALL we have in the very late MSS we have, and this applies to the Christian Greek Scriptures with even more transparency.

  What fascinates me is that we can trace the Evolution of Israelite/Jewish Theology easily, and the later evolution of Theology/Christology in the N.T.
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  This is a no brainer

  by oncebitten in

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  the insertion of jehovah into the nt is only understandable to me if there was an ot quote.

  however by far the vast majority of the time this is not the case.

  instead we see clear bias in the nwt.

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  Phizzy

  The Insertion of the Name in the N.T has been debated on other Threads, and I know all the arguments for and against, but what is a "no brainer" is the the JW org. are Hypocritical in doing this, they say that in producing their NWT they follow the rule that if something is not in the earliest MSS, then they do not include it, or they highlight this fact.

  The point is, there is not one single early MSS, or fragment thereof, or of course a later one from anywhere near the 1st Century, that writes the Name ANYWHERE in those MSS !
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  1963 Resolution Condemning the United Nations

  by Sea Breeze in

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  2. beliefs

  quote from that world wide resolution: .

  that, in order to prevent the destruction of the nations by their own means in war, the nations further refused the surrender of their sovereignty to god’s messianic kingdom by setting up a society of nations, which, since 1945, has taken the form and the name of the united nations, with international headquarters at new york city.

  this international organization stands for world sovereignty by political men.

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  Phizzy

  But some of those "Resolutions" fulfilled Bible prophecy according to the Org. !
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  WT says 'Church Fathers were leading teachers'

  by youdontknowhim in

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  was it jehovahs witnesses who acknowledge the church father as leading teachers?

  this is a very interesting statement by justin.

  do you accept origen as an authority when he said jesus is our god?

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  Phizzy

  Thanks for the Link Vienne !

  What we see in this is that the various Christological/Theological ideas that originated in the 1st Century C.E or earlier, were continued long after the 1st Century, not news to us of course, but it gives the lie to the impression the J.W Org. and other Sects like to give, that there was a unified set of beliefs held in the 1st Century by one set of Christians, whose beliefs and teachings the J.W's and others could "get back to".

  Priestley has decided on a Unitarian view.

  But why should just one view of, say, the Divinity of Christ, or when he became Divine or whatever, be the correct one ? "the truth", and who decides now ?

  And by what Authority do they decide ? Priestley was deciding for himself, as the other Sects do. The most powerful Sects become the "orthodox", but, as the man with the wooden leg said, it's all a matter of a pinion.
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  Moving on in a new chapter

  by redsetter2 in

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  2. experiences

  moving on is the hardest thing anyone has to cope with.. i have officially left the org.

  and now it feels my family have been waiting to do this for a long time, officially shunning me, even though they were practically doing this whilst i was still in.. it feels like i've accomplished a victory and at the same time i feel guilty i was tangled up in communication with someone who "hid who they were" claiming to leak information from bethel.

  i got the call from the man who i thought i worked with.

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  Phizzy

  " No regrets about getting out of there! " .

  me too but :

  It means even more than "no regrets" to me, once I had left, and got rid of those "vestiges" I had the Freedom of Mind to drink in the pure Waters of Truth, truth that was backed by incontrovertible Facts and Evidence !

  It was incredible, and looking back, what I got from the org. was like brackish, sewage infested water, the waters of truth ( REAL Truth) were like drinking from a cool Mountain Stream of the purest water on Earth !

  Moving on to a new Chapter is all very well, but in the end, getting to, and drinking of, that Pure Water should be the goal, and may as many as possible achieve that !
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  WT says 'Church Fathers were leading teachers'

  by youdontknowhim in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  was it jehovahs witnesses who acknowledge the church father as leading teachers?

  this is a very interesting statement by justin.

  do you accept origen as an authority when he said jesus is our god?

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  Phizzy

  Thank you once again Earnest ! I shall have a look at all you have mentioned as soon as I can.

  It fascinates me how these guys were so dedicated and motivated to try as best as they could to correct former errors in translation.

  It was an exciting time, the C of E was deciding whether to be a "Broad Church" or not, of course the Establishment wanted all Divines and other ones being ordained to sign up to the 39 Articles , an attempt to stifle the thoughts of Priestley and Co. Others in the Cambridge Group wanted free thinking to be permitted, and progress to be made in Doctrine.

  Much as we see the struggles that went on among the Church Fathers !
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  2024-May-3rd-Announcement-and Transcripts!

  by Atlantis in

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  2. friends

  2024-05-may-03-announcement.

  https://pdfupload.io/docs/faad3e3dtranscripts for 2024 governing body update #3englishhttps://pdfupload.io/docs/ce4ae1d8germanhttps://pdfupload.io/docs/3bf805be spanishhttps://pdfupload.io/docs/a4e3fd3b frenchhttps://pdfupload.io/docs/d37d5822 russianhttps://pdfupload.io/docs/71fe8f28 grandpa!

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  Phizzy

  I noticed that too, and a lot of doublespeak and Mind Control going on, they seem to be back-pedalling somewhat to the J.W's on the "relaxing" of the Dress rules, but none of this will be made public.

  There will no doubt be the same technique used with any upcoming "changes", things they can point to for public consumption, but privately there being the old strict "Control" at work for the R&F J.W's.

  Plus ça change, eh?
  
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  Pioneer Hours

  by Etude in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does anyone know how many hours were required to be a pioneer back in or around 1970?.

  etude..

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  Phizzy

  I remember that when I was a Pioneer that some Pios. and ordinary "Publishers" were exaggerating the actual time spent, but our little group of Pio's did not, and I did not for many years until I began to wake up.

  One day I was taking the Report Slips out of the Box to hand them to the guy who collated the Report, and I saw the top one, it was from an Elder that I knew never did more than few minutes a week in the "Ministry", yet it showed 16 Hours on it.

  I handed the bunch of Reports over, and said to the guy who took them off me "There are some Great Works of Fiction in that lot", he smiled and said yes, and nodded sagely.

  If the lies about time didn't fool me and others, how did the ones telling the lies think they were fooling Jehovah ?

  They didn't care, as long as when the C.O came to visit he saw how "spiritual" you were, all was fine, what a pathetic charade of a "faith" J.W's are !