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  Don't count on witnessing Watchtower's demise anytime soon.

  by Roger Kirkpatrick in

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  2. friends

  the fact that there are pomi ex-jws who have been disfellowshiped or inactive for years who still live in constant fear of armageddon indicates that watchtower will manage to exist in one way or another for years, if not decades, to come.

  watchtower, like all other religious cults, operate on the premise that "you can fool some of the people all of the time...and that's enough!

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  Phizzy

  " I see why it is so hard to get an accurate accounting of true membership. "

  It would be interesting, but impossible, to get a true number of really active members, we know from our own experience, and evidence from others on here, that most Field Service Reports are mainly works of Fiction.

  It obviously is also totally impossible to estimate how many - if any at all - are 100% believers, with no doubts at all. The ones I have spoken to who I thought were 100% believers in all the Bullcrap turned out to have doubts, and some said they would not do certain things even if expected of them, like Shunning.

  So,despite the numbers claimed, the Org has a problem with real commitment.
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  Don't count on witnessing Watchtower's demise anytime soon.

  by Roger Kirkpatrick in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the fact that there are pomi ex-jws who have been disfellowshiped or inactive for years who still live in constant fear of armageddon indicates that watchtower will manage to exist in one way or another for years, if not decades, to come.

  watchtower, like all other religious cults, operate on the premise that "you can fool some of the people all of the time...and that's enough!

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  Phizzy

  Hi SBF,

  It is interesting what you say about the Dublin Branch, they used to have a really swish Building out in the Countryside, I know it was for sale for a long time, and they made pioneers and other volunteers go and maintain it, and cut the grass etc ! it must have sold in the end.

  I agree that they could sell the Dublin house, maybe soon, the very small Branch could be operated out of someones front room !
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  The One Redress to Victims That Never Happens

  by LetTheTruthBeKnown in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  it seems no matter how much money or press the victims get, the rank and file jw's are either unaware or do not believe what had happened.

  the persecution complex takes over.

  stockholm syndrome???.

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  Phizzy

  It would be fantastic to see that !

  Sadly, I doubt a Court could force them to Publicize a Case, but they may be able to make them Publish a Full Apology ??? If so, the Court would have to insist it was not couched in the usual JW Mind Control way, or, again, the JW Rank & File will dismiss it in their minds.

  I am looking forward to the brown sticky stuff finally hitting the fan, we know from Posters on here that it has already woken up a number of JW's !

  Even if you and I do not get exactly what we want, the resultant wide publicity from the case will have a huge effect.
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  Is It Israel or Palestine??

  by minimus in

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  does palestine actually exist?

  does israel have the right to exist!.

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  Phizzy

  What PeacefulPete said, " What matters is how to resolve the stalemate of tit for tat violence that exists today." answers LUHE's 3 part last question to me very well.

  The rest of his Post, above, explains why we cannot say any group has an overarching right to land, of course we must accept that people live where they do, but Ancient History of the Land or its inhabitants confers no right whatsoever, or you walk along a very rocky road !

  I do firmly believe in America for the Native Americans, and Australia for the Aborigines, and the Isle of Wight for the offspring of the people who obviously lived there 8 Thousand years ago........ now I must remove my tongue from within my cheek before it gets stuck there !
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  Don't count on witnessing Watchtower's demise anytime soon.

  by Roger Kirkpatrick in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the fact that there are pomi ex-jws who have been disfellowshiped or inactive for years who still live in constant fear of armageddon indicates that watchtower will manage to exist in one way or another for years, if not decades, to come.

  watchtower, like all other religious cults, operate on the premise that "you can fool some of the people all of the time...and that's enough!

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  Phizzy

  The last Jehovah's Witness will look sadly out of the window of her/his care Home, and think, I wonder how long before the End ? ". Sadly, that person will meet their end before The End, and won't get a resurrection in to a new System either.

  POMI JW's might still believe the rubbish, but mostly do not contribute $$$,

  Lack of $$$ will kill the Org in the end, it is my fervent hope I live to see it !
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  Where now for the UK Society Big Wigs?

  by dozy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i see top uk jw lawyer richard cook is finally having to move out of his jw "grace & favour" house , currently for sale for a cool £2.75 million.

  https://solicitors.guru/office/3466-richard-cook-solicitors/.

  https://ibsaproperty.com/houses/lowood-house/.

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  Phizzy

  If the in house lawyers do jump ship, the JW Org will have to start paying some pretty steep legal Bills. Someone like Richard Cook will find it none too easy to slip in to normal Practice, these Legal Eagles that are in house do not seem the brightest of stars in the legal firmament.
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  Publisher numbers versus baptised witnesses.

  by amandm in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i grew up as a witness, and left about 10 years ago, i'm currently researching witness numbers for a project i'm working on, and i can't seem to get an accurate number of baptised witnesses - hardly a surprise!

  from their website it looks like they list the number of publishers instead of the number of baptised witnesses, so it totally works to obscure how many actual witnesses there are, apart from the fact it's morally dubious to class a publisher as a minister of god as they refer to publishers on their uk section of the site.

  i also am trying to work out how many leave every year, even approximate figures would be great, from their own website it just looks like they try to massage figures to make them look as favourable as possible.

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  Phizzy

  When I first left I tried to make sense of the numbers. Very difficult, as the baptized number will be necessarily already be Publishers. As to numbers leaving, one would have to allow for the normal death rate, but this may be slightly higher than the average, as JW's are an ageing lot.

  It was patently obvious that even taking those things in to account, there are thousands of "missing" JW's over the decades, some may of course be still attending, but inactive and therefore not counted.

  I would hazard a guess, not based upon much, that about 15% leave in any one year, but before that have become inactive.

  There even could be millions of ex JW's still alive ???
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  Is It Israel or Palestine??

  by minimus in

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  does palestine actually exist?

  does israel have the right to exist!.

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  Phizzy

  LUHE said " Israel has existed since 1948 - it also existed thousands of years ago, too."

  That is not an argument for anything.
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  Is It Israel or Palestine??

  by minimus in

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  does palestine actually exist?

  does israel have the right to exist!.

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  Phizzy

  " Jews were unique among all ethnic groups in the world in 1948."

  Other Ethnic groups come to mind, in no particular order. Roma, Native Americans, Irish, S.A Blacks and Boers, Australian Aborigines,Kurds, etc etc.

  Some of these are not a Diaspora of course. The problem is that most persecution of Jews has arisen from Religious beliefs, and Religious beliefs were the basis for establishing the Homeland where it is. But it is there, and there to stay I hope, so the resulting problems are those that need to be solved. Hopefully.

  Such Antisemitic views are based upon a doubtful History of the Jews, based upon the discredited Gospels etc, the Jews probably did not bring about the death of Jesus if he existed, and if the Jews of the day were instrumental, so what ? the Romans would have done the execution. I know that Muslim Antisemitism is based on a different reason of course. Antisemitism is hateful and wrong, and baseless.

  Another question, as the best place to be an Arab is probably within Israel, would not a One State solution be the best, but probably impossible to achieve ?
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  Is It Israel or Palestine??

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does palestine actually exist?

  does israel have the right to exist!.

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  Phizzy

  Israel has existed since 1948, fact, as with any Country that has swallowed up, or even moved on, the inhabitants, what would you do about it now, decades after the event ? Yes, I would like to see Justice for all those this has happened to in recent times, in Myanmar for example, but that is difficult to achieve.

  The question I have is, what was the basis for claiming that, the Jewish Diaspora had a "right" to a Homeland where it has ended up, and what was that right based upon ? and does the same principle apply to other Ethnic groups ?