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  Prove That Jehovah’s Witnesses Do Not Have The “Truth”

  by minimus in

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  someone is researching jehovah’s witnesses.

  they happen to come on to this site.

  do the witnesses have the truth??.

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  Phizzy

  T,D said " It's not possible to prove a negative. Burden of proof rests on the claimant. " I said something similar in an earlier Post, but I stress, do NOT waste your time disproving stuff, let them lay out their case, and demolish it.

  A word of caution, in my early days, I did this , several times with one guy, and he kept coming back with more nonsense, until I said , " Look , hang on Bro, I demolished your earlier stuff, how much longer shall we go on before the penny drops with you ? " a bit rude perhaps, but it worked, sort of, he never came back. But they tend to do that, ignore the significance of what you have destroyed, and think if they can prove something else is true, that is you sorted, but NO ! the stuff that I have proved wrong, without going further, proves you thick JW's do NOT have the truth !
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  Research help needed: knowledge of Knights Templar and Masonic history vital

  by Fay Dehr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i am in conversation with a uk historian regarding some knights templar locations, where jws have built buildings.

  *** this is serious research - not a joke *** .

  i am not - and do not wish to be - a conspiracy theorist, but something has come to light in the uk and i lack the knowledge of knights templar + masons.

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  Phizzy

  I would respectfully suggest people check there own ideas before Posting. The ownership of the Chelmsford Site is a doddle to look up, on the Land Registry Site.

  Look at the thousands of places with "Temple" in their name and you will usually find a connection to some ancient Temple yes, often older than the Knights Templar.

  Sometimes a farm is called Temple Farm because the owner was one Mr Temple. I challenge anyone to deliver proof positive, that stands Scrutiny, that there ever was any direct connection by the JW Org to the Freemasons or the Templars.

  Conspiracy Theory grade stuff on here lowers the quality of this Site, and negates its purpose.
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  Can a person resign from being one of Jehovah's Witness?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  can a person resign from being one of jehovah’s witnesses?.

  frequently asked questions.

  a person can resign from our organization in two ways:.

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  Phizzy

  You can resign, you can leave, but you can never be totally free of the power they have over you, unless you have no relatives or friends still in the Cult.

  They use family and friends to coerce you by the method known as " Shunning", an Un-Christian and Unscriptural practice.
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  Prove That Jehovah’s Witnesses Do Not Have The “Truth”

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  someone is researching jehovah’s witnesses.

  they happen to come on to this site.

  do the witnesses have the truth??.

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  Phizzy

  Truth is founded upon Facts and Evidence that will stand ANY scrutiny .

  We could spend many hours showing where J.W beliefs do not fit those criteria. It rather behoves the J.W to prove they indeed do have the " truth" than for us to prove they do not, let them put their best proofs before us, and we will show where they fail.
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  My old congregation still have nothing to show for all their efforts.

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
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  in the year 2000, our congregation decided to split into three separate congregations because of growth.

  there were 186 members.

  the kingdom hall had only 190 seats.

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  Phizzy

  " sooner or later, the family silver runs out." Yes ! they can only sell K.H's for so long, eventually the Congregations shrink to a hard core who will never leave, and have to have a K.H to meet in.

  They are also not profiting quite from these sales so much in an obscure way in some cases. They used to build new K.H's in rough areas of town, slightly industrial, or slightly out of town, and eventually the area would improve, as the town expanded and more houses were built around the K.H.

  Now those areas are not being gentrified, many are becoming even more run down, so the Sale Price is not what it was, or might have been.

  The Org. has a cash flow problem that is slowly increasing, they have squeezed the faithful until the pips squeak, numbers are falling in the richer Countries, and their Real Estate business lacks any more Billion Dollar sales. The Org. is moribund.

  And as the Title of this thread says, many of the older ones particularly must be feeling that they have worked hard all their lives for the org., and have nothing to show for it !
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  Interesting bit of JW World War II Trivia.

  by Athanasius in

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  during world war ii when the nazis occupied a large section of the western part of the ussr, heinrich himmler considered various methods to help control the indigenous population.

  alexander dallin reports in his book german rule in russia 1941-1945—a study of occupation policies, page 616:.

  “himmler conceded that the easterners needed some general system of values, but it was madness to spread nazism among them, and to revive the orthodox or to promote the catholic church in the east was dangerous.

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  Phizzy

  " I can see them not wanting the R&F exploring all the details."

  Especially if they were to find a copy of Rutherford's letters to Hitler where he assures him they are not a threat, but the Jews are ! Carrying on a blatant Antisemitic trope. And if the JW's then find out the truth about how the poor Bible Students who had bravely stood up against the Nazis and gone to Concentration Camps felt about Rutherford's actions.

  They felt Rutherford had betrayed them, and betrayed what they stood for, being "no part of the World". And so a large number left the Watchtower Org in disgust and loathing, but J.W's were told in the JW Org publications the huge LIE that these Brothers and Sisters left because of " Materialism" !!!!

  Oh yes, there is a lot the JW Org do not want their adherents to find out !
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  Are Jehovah’s Witnesses Wrong Regarding Staying Out of Politics?

  by minimus in

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  we were told we were part of the world if we got involved in politics.

  if we had employment that had political involvement we were instructed to get another job.

  we were told we might be considered disassociated if we voted and then it became questionable.

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  jhine has it right. Thanks Jan.

  Now I am out and free, I see it as my Moral and Civic Duty to take part in all aspects of politics to make the World a better place, not something JW's ever work for, they see this world as doomed, and simply sit back and do nothing for however many decades they may live, and let the rest of us work for things that will be of great advantage to them.

  They are basically Parasites.
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  My old congregation still have nothing to show for all their efforts.

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the year 2000, our congregation decided to split into three separate congregations because of growth.

  there were 186 members.

  the kingdom hall had only 190 seats.

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  Phizzy

  " Except now with no meetings " it will be surprising if the married ones don't have the odd "slip up", what else is there to do ???

  One "Sister" in our Congregation, many years ago, excused getting pregnant by saying " It was just one that slipped through the Net ", a Bro. overheard and said " You shouldn't have been using a Net!" LOL.

  I am wondering how my old Congregation is getting along now, we too split because we had well over 200 Publishers on our books, officially, though rarely did all of 'em turn up for a Meeting at one time, but we had a lot of overflow problems, as fixed seats were about 180 I think.

  So we split in to two, I wonder how those two Congregations are doing ? does the combined attendance ever exceed 200 ? maybe on Memorial night, but that is an exception, lots of non JW's there . Does the combined number of Publishers now exceed 200, some 16 years or so down the line ? I very much doubt it, even in my day, a lot of the "increase" was JW's moving in from elsewhere, I doubt actual converting has become any easier !
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  The Site is Going Down!!!

  by BereanThinker7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so i'm sure many of us here have used the site https://ad1914.com/, apparently the domain had expired.

  this site was instrumental to my waking up.

  i have been able to use it to direct others to as well since it had a large collection of matters dealing with the validity of the "gentile times" claim.

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  Phizzy

  Rattigan, you are simply trying to be a Provocative Troll! The whole 1914 thing, in its entirety, has been de-bunked thoroughly SO many times !
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  I turned 38 Feb 16th!

  by Joliette in

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  i can't believe it.

  it doesnt even seem real.

  my mother told me that the world would gone by the time i was 25. .

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  Phizzy

  Dear Joliette, if it makes you feel any better, my youngest kid is older than you !

  Actually 40, when you get there, is not so bad, you can still act like a Teenager and get away with it. Now I am well in to my 70's I get berated because my sense of humour is no more mature or sophisticated than that of a 12 year old kid ! I still laugh at Fart Jokes ! Also I get very pissed (drunk) sometimes, but, what the hell ?

  I can be sensible and mature when I am 6ft under, in between, whatever age you are this applies : "Life is for Living, for Loving, for Laughing and for Enjoying."